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    I recently got a T-dub about a month ago Woo Hoo!



    I've been tootling around on it and having a blast.

    We went camping Labor day weekend up near Georgia pass which is between Fraiser and Breckenridge Co. Anyways climbing some of those hills was a bit of a struggle climbing over boulders and sharp rocks was a bit nerve wracking but I did make it to the top and my poor T-dub earned a spot on the lift for her victory dance. My delema is that I don't know if it is my inexperience with this bike or the bike tires, I bounce like I'm on a big red bouncing ball (like the ones with handles some folks had when they were a kid) when I start to get thrown there is no getting her back, I must of fell 1/2 dozen times climbing up the mountain and a couple of times coming down. I feel like the bike is riding on top of the terrain and not digging in.



    We went again this weekend and did a bit better, I hit the ultimate biker mogels and was having a blast, I hit one came up, then down, then I really don't know what happen next but everyone behind me said the tire just bounced like a balloon and you were down and slid over 10 ft , I'm still limping and the poor poor T-dub took a terrible beating although I broke her fall when I let her land on my body... that is the pain I am feeling all over at this moment.

    Anyways is the T-dub not made for this terrain, I can see that she would be a blast in the sand and some great fire roads etc. but the rocky terrain here in Colorado..I don't know, did I mess up and get me the wrong bike? which now needs some TLC just on the front accessory stuff she landed on that first before landing on me.



    Ok sorry to ramble, I'm just confused. I suppose I can get alot of info here on the site, so your input is well needed for this new T-dub owner.

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    I failed to mention after the first day, we went home and changed the sprocket and chain so I can have some lower gear for the climbing.

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    Congrats on the TW and welcome to the forum.



    Some questions to help get you better answers:



    What tires are you running?



    What tire pressure were you running?



    What's the condition of your front forks (what year is the bike and what maintenance has been done to the forks)?



    How is the rear shock set up?



    How much weight is the bike carrying?
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    I should add, there are some things you can do to make it better handle a trail like that. It is possible:



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwyNra8KBXM



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Boo-uU-E19Q
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    Suspect lots of folks will get involved. Retmotor asked some great questions.



    " I hit the ultimate biker mogels and was having a blast"



    Here is a quote from your post. Perhaps "ultimate biker mogels" was just a figure of speech, but I feel inclined to share with you my opinion. The TW is far from the "ultimate" mogel bike. Without question, opinions will differ, though likely they will point you in pretty much the same direction; the TW is a competent trail bike, much beyond that can lead to frustration.



    To truly (my opinion) enjoy the bike, you may need to drop down a couple of notches on your expectations. If that is a significant upset, consider selling the rig for 'good' money and buying more of an 'Enduro' or 'Moto-cross' rig. The alternative may be that you trash the TW and as well continue to be be frustrated. Again, just an opinion. Gerry
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    Retmotor,

    they are the stock tires, I picked up the bike from a guy up in the mountains it only had 500 miles on it, it is an 08 that sat around for short distant putts to the store and back.

    air down to 20 in the back, it did feel better with the lower air after the first day.



    Not sure if the front fork oil has been changed, the shocks are stock, it wasn't bottoming out as far as I felt.

    The bike was just carrying me.....5'2 petite female.



    Thanks for the video, made me feel a bit better about my riding, that is pretty much what we went through, the jagged rocks are a bit nerve racking as well as hurt when I fall on them.

    I guess practice practice practice.



    @ Mrgizmo, yes it was a figure of speech, I enjoyed the whompdee doos but know I can't ride them like the big boys and really have no plans too, they are just fun. We are riding mostly on trails but the trails are gnarley here unlike the ones I use to ride in calif in my much younger years. The thought did run across my mind, did I make a mistake in purchasing the dub, which I really like because it has great reach for me, but I will have to replace the plastic on the front after landing on me after the whompdee doo with mudd we did not land gracefully. Yes this old gal hurts today. but well well worth it, I got back up dusted off and off I went for more.

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    OK, well figure that suspension is pretty much set up to accomodate 300 pounds so no surprise it is throwing you around. The suspension can be tuned somewhat. I go about 180 pounds in my riding gear and I've aired down to 12/10 psi (front/rear) although I'm not sure I would go that low on a trail with all those menacing rocks looking to pinch a tube and bend a rim.



    The stock front tire is not popular for loose off-road stuff. A lot of guys will switch out the fronts in favor of improved traction. There's some threads on this forum regarding tire pressure, suspension, and front tires. If I get on the computer tonight (I'm on a tablet), I'll see what I can dig up.
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    I have also had good luck with the tire pressures mentioned by Retmotor. Boy girl if your adventure included sections like those shown on the Rubicon videos, geezzz . That stuff is kinda to scary for me. Have fun, stay safe and think about loosing that front tire, but in that really rocky stuff it may not be the liability that I found it to be in loose dirt. Gerry
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    Thanks guys, your help means alot, I was really disappointed in myself thinking

    "I could ride" but really "sucked at it" actually the guys I went with were pretty nice with there support and were even more surprised that I picked it up on my own, I figure they were all being nice (cuz that's what friends do ).

    I will have a couple of things to do to the bike before going out again ( like next weekend) I will have to find out why the speedometer stopped working and straighten out the blinker on the right side, the scratches well that's part of the game, and front rim for better traction .



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    Follow, I think you will be OK with a bit more time, some patience and a few minor tweaks. First, 20 psi is MUCH too high for your weight, IMO. That is a big reason why it bounces so much. The tires are a big part of the suspension on these bikes, and too much air will have the results you experienced. Retmotor mentioned 12/10 psi, and with your light weight I think that is about right. Particularly if you are riding at trail-riding speeds.



    First, what kind of bikes and riders are you intending to keep up with? This is critical. Looking at your second picture, I assume that it is one of the easier sections. A bunch of guys on enduro or motocross bikes would often go through something like that at 30-45mph or more. A T-Dub would be uncomfortable at much beyond 20-30, and even then you'd need to dodge the bigger rocks. Pick the easiest line by going from side to side.(you probably know this)



    Second, by "biker mogels" I assume that you mean "whoops" (whoop-de-doos) which is the biker term.8=) Moguls or whoops, on skiis or a bike, staying upright on them at speed is an advanced technique. The fast guys on the enduro bikes can skim over just the top of the whoops without dropping down into the lower parts between them. That takes speed, technique, and a much more expensive and better suspension than the T-Dub possesses. On a T-Dub I just drop my speed and ride up and down over them. Sometimes you can avoid doing that by just riding a bit to one side or another where the trail is more level.



    IF YOU INTEND TO RIDE AT SPEED OVER WHOOPS, YOU DO INDEED HAVE THE WRONG BIKE. A word of caution. People can get badly hurt riding whoops, even with the right bike.



    I'll wait for your answers before saying anything more.

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