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    Of greater interest to NorCal riders -- third paragraph down -- does that say Clear Creek is going to open March 14, 2014? I find it hard to believe....

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    It would be great if they would or are going to re-open the Clear Creek area!
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    It says the temporary closure order will expire on that date. It is replaced by the record of decision that is linked on the same page. I was going to tell you what it entailed until I saw it was 167 full pages of BLM babble.
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    You have to read the whole Record of Decision, as Borneo says 167 pages of babble to discover what they are going to do with it. I've been skimming it and to my dismay found "scenic travel route" is in the plans. Have not done a complete read by any means. Basically Clear Creek is as open now as it will ever be.

    There might maybe be a bright spot. I happened to be there, riding, during late November en route thru to Mexico. To my surprise there was a cluster of official vehicles near Oak Flats CG. It was the parks & rec people who oversee Holister Hills. They were doing an extensive series of tests using motorcyclists and air monitors. A specialist had been called in from the east coast, air monitoring gear everywhere. Had a long talk with them. Teams of 2 bikers were riding the roads, taking air samples to determine the risk levels. It was the opinion of the parks folks that the closure was draconian and they would like to see it opened up to OHV use again. Partly to take some pressure off Holister Hills. That may explain the letter attached at the end of the RoD.

    There are some other highlights. County roads in the area are known to be open. An LEO showed me numerous roads are indeed county but are not distinguished as such on the maps. He also gave me a long rundown on enforcement (or lack thereof) in the area.
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    Have been wading through the DBXRMPRMBS-FISHY, on an actual read. It's lots of language with real information hidden in places. On page 1-11 (or page 23 of Adobe) the fifth paragraph down says:

    "...including limiting OHV recreation to 270 of the existing 420 miles of designated open routes; limiting OHV use to 937 of the existing 5,000 acres of open barrens (i.e., play areas); monitoring the condition of the San Benito evening-primrose occurrences; monitoring compliance by OHV [riders not "risers"]; and implementing administrative controls (e.g., conditional closure when OHV non-compliance impacts the [plant])....

    That suggests the public may be permitted to use some of our land after all. Will continue to slog as time permits.

    I promise to stay away from the flowers. 167 pages and THAT'S what they were worried about??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post
    I promise to stay away from the flowers. 167 pages and THAT'S what they were worried about??
    I would be happy to volunteer to plant, cultivate, and fertilize whatever flowers would be necessary to help reopen a significant portion of Clear Creek. There is a group of off-roaders from Salinas that volunteered thousands of hours to develop and maintain trails at Clear Creek that they are now barred from using.

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    Found the alternative bill that Friends of Clear Creek are supporting: H.R.1776 - 113th Congress (2013-2014): Clear Creek National Recreation Area and Conservation Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress There are numerous other leads to follow out. Would be super cool if several T-dubbers could pester the appropriate elected officials. I'm going to.

    I'm sure it's no consolation to everyone who has put in so much time and energy on this, but the real bad news is: it's happening everywhere. CCMA is but one example of the public being shut out of public lands. It's happened in my once forgotten corner of Washington, happening in virtually every state. In the case of the Serpentine group, this is some amazing mineral property unlike any other known location on earth. We can see their stated motivations. Did any of us ever intend that the Bureau of Land Management be so concerned with our health? I wonder frequently what goes on behind the scenes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo View Post
    Good job Borneo and Vagabond!

    This has to go through the US House of Representatives, then the US Senate, then the President has to sign it. I don't know how my local representative will vote but if you guys from around the country could get your representatives to vote for it it might pass. Click on the Friends of Clear Creek link above, fill out the form and click submit. They will show you the letter before you press the second submit.

    Actions - H.R.1776 - 113th Congress (2013-2014): Clear Creek National Recreation Area and Conservation Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress


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    There is a beautiful hot springs near Mammoth Mtn. Ca. that drew visitors from around the world. It was " managed " by the Forest Service for the last three decades or so. Locals used to stay all night. Then there was a curfew placed at sundown. Every year it seemed like there was another control placed. A new sign, a new fence, a new rule. We knew that the Government wanted to shut it down, all they needed was some excuse. Safety was the big topic. Warning signs of deaths were posted everywhere. The reality was that in several decades a half dozen intoxicated people had drowned. Yes let's shut the whole thing down because of that. Maybe we should shut the Pacific Ocean down because people die there too! Finally about 5 years ago they fenced off the hot springs. Reason.......dangerous fluctuations of geothermal water. I talked to a person who defied the sign and said the only difference was more bubbles. A natural jacuzzi sounds terrifying Sadly with Clear Creek, it sounds like the same old story. They are only protecting us from ourselves. After all we are the people that public lands belong to. But obviously we are too incompetent to know how to use them.
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