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    Constitution Schmonstitution

    Any thoughts on the further eroding of our constitutional republic to socialist policies?

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    Executive orders have been around since the time of George Washington. Lincoln used an E.O. to suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus and issue the Emancipation Proclamation. Eisenhower used them to desegregate schools. The list is long. Executive orders are designed to give direction to governmental agencies as to the execution of their lawful duties. They are not designed to legislate, but rather effectuate legislation or Constitutional provisions/protections. Obviously, in the two examples above, Lincoln and Eisenhower felt they were enforcing Constitutional protections.

    I have not had an opportunity to read President Obama's new E.O., and I am disinclined to take guidance as to it's content from news agencies. So, at this point I can't comment. But as a fair guess, I'm probably not going to like it.
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    In fact, at this point, I can't even tell if it was an "executive order" or an "executive action".
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    If it was just an executive action, then I pretty much view it as more ho-hum grandstanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borneo View Post
    Executive orders have been around since the time of George Washington. Lincoln used an E.O. to suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus and issue the Emancipation Proclamation. Eisenhower used them to desegregate schools. The list is long. Executive orders are designed to give direction to governmental agencies as to the execution of their lawful duties. They are not designed to legislate, but rather effectuate legislation or Constitutional provisions/protections. Obviously, in the two examples above, Lincoln and Eisenhower felt they were enforcing Constitutional protections.

    I have not had an opportunity to read President Obama's new E.O., and I am disinclined to take guidance as to it's content from news agencies. So, at this point I can't comment. But as a fair guess, I'm probably not going to like it.
    I will await your legal review as I am far from the ability to cut through his typical thousands of pages orders. My take after watching and listening to his speech last night, Just more smoke in mirrors! How does an illegal prove being here for at least 5 years? How many will run out of the darkness to pay their fines and have their back ground check done? Who does all these background checks and at what cost? What effect will this new system have on all the legit applicants who have and still are following the laws and going thru the process right?

    Given the new structure of Congress coming in January I don't see anything of value in this action.

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    The links I posted were "embargoed" talking points. They are short. It was just an "Executive Action" not an Executive Order. E.O.'s have legal import. E.A.'s are more like wishes.

    Smoke and mirrors is in my opinion a succinct analysis.
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    Maybe its the whole medias way of wording this as if congress is somehow needs to be held to timelines set by the executive branch.

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    You learn very little from the news these days my friend. One because they have an agenda, and secondly because the analysis usually isn't that good.
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    If it were up to me, I will freely admit I would order the prioritization of deportation too. I would demand that the limited resources be focused on ridding our Country of the true bad guys first. Common sense would demand that.
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