We’re in the basement now WECSOG — as is the other thread (where it belongs given the direction it was going in) …….
Despite the attempt at humour in the other thread (that seems to have fallen on deaf ears), I do in fact realise that your constitution, bill of rights, amendments (whatever you want to call it) is in fact in defence of the citizen, and prevents the government from passing laws to take those rights away. I thought that would have been fairly obvious to anyone who read what I wrote at the time, which was
I’m all for a bit of “patriotism”, although it can sometimes border on “tribalism”, the lines sometimes become confused. Or maybe we can even introduce religion into the equation, after all, it was your comment that you had a “God given right” that prompted me to “make light” of an argument that was lining up like the KKK.
The trouble is, that in almost every major war on this planet, that war is proclaimed to be “in the name of God” by one side or the other. Sure, it’s normally started by one misguided idiot in charge, who then enlists the support of the clergy, and before you know it a whole population is trying to kill someone or another “In the name of God”. Even the German army in 39-45 had “Gott mit uns” on their belt buckles — and don’t get me started on the politics behind the Crusades.
Take the Middle East - (please, just take it) — how many political forces are in play in that arena, with the full support of each nations clerics ?
This is what worries me about “God given rights” — because just like “Human Rights” in this country — you don’t actually have any. Not even that smug looking mountain Lion who’s just trashed a Badgers day by having bigger “God given” claws.
You only have the right to behave as you will, and to trust that your (insert name here) God will forgive you for that behaviour. And even if you’re an Atheist, at least adhere to some moral code.
That’s what your “Founding Fathers” were trying to get at when they wrote and signed that document — “You” have the right — in your own name — and not by right of some “higher force”.
From the link that you posted above ……..
“Because the Founding Fathers believed we had that right. They spoke about it and wrote about it. And that’s enough.”
As the title of this thread that you started infers — “Natural rights” — regardless of religious affiliation - (something that your Founding Fathers were wise enough to steer clear of) ………