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Thread: Fantastic budget dual sport comparison test that I somehow missed - DR, XT, CRF, KLX.

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    Post Fantastic budget dual sport comparison test that I somehow missed - DR, XT, CRF, KLX.

    I've only read a few lines of this so far, but the intro is great, the rising action intriguing, and Ari Henning was mentioned - anything that guy is part of is bound to be entertaining! I happened upon this article while searching for dyno charts for the 2013+ XT250 - something that has tended to elude me in the past. I found it here!

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    No WR250r, a bit more expensive, but so much more motorcycle.
    2001 TW200 sporting a MT43 up front. Duro has gone to a good home. 2015 VStrom XT, 1996 DT 200, Broken 2010 Xingue 400 XY. 2009 WR250r now shared with my son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ejfranz View Post
    No WR250r, a bit more expensive, but so much more motorcycle.
    A lot more expensive IMO. $1,500 will buy all the mods you want, a year of insurance, and a tank of gas. You could even buy a whole used DR200 in decent shape, for that much. Personally I think it was a very smart decision to not include the WR in this comparison. It is in a different class - costing as much as a 400 or 650.


    I don't agree with some of the things in this comparison, but a lot of it is on point. The XT is the second lightest and has better bottom end torque than all the others. Also, they said it wasn't nimble over rough terrain. That was an incorrect word choice, or a misunderstanding of what was really going on. The XT is by far the most nimble of all of these bikes. Stable...that could replace nimble, and it would make sense. They also basically said that the DR's handling was worse than the XT; it is slightly less nimble, but handles rough terrain at speed slightly better, and is much more stable. Anyway, all in all, I found this pretty enjoyable, and I totally dig all these bikes being right next to each other on a dyno for both horsepower and torque - very useful information.
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    Anyway, the reason I was looking trying to find power and torque curves for the XT is because I wanted to see how my new gearing works with the curves (on paper). I've only ridden it with 16/48 for about ten minutes so far - haven't had a chance to really test it yet - but I sure thought that it seemed to be in a nice little sweet spot at 65 mph. Sure enough, I looked on the torque curve, and that's dead on at maximum torque (6,500 RPM @65 mph with the 16/48 setup). So far it seems like the motor is pulling this gearing just fine. I was hitting 65 up a hill on a 55 mph road and it didn't seem to have any trouble, and it was also super smooth and relaxed - not stressing the motor.
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    At the Loose Screw no one took these bikes on the B route, they all did the C or C+ routes which were for 650cc or larger bikes.
    I guy tried his Sherpa on the B route, but he got stuck on one of the first hills.
    Clayton and I did the B route on WRs and made it through all the obstacles. Our bike were geared down 13-50 and 13-52. A stock WR 13-43 would not have made It.

    These are fun bikes, but have major limitations when you start to get into hard trail riding. The WR, geared correctly and with good tires can run with the European bikes, but you are working hard to do it. It is just too heavy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ejfranz View Post
    At the Loose Screw no one took these bikes on the B route, they all did the C or C+ routes which were for 650cc or larger bikes.
    I guy tried his Sherpa on the B route, but he got stuck on one of the first hills.
    Clayton and I did the B route on WRs and made it through all the obstacles. Our bike were geared down 13-50 and 13-52. A stock WR 13-43 would not have made It.

    These are fun bikes, but have major limitations when you start to get into hard trail riding. The WR, geared correctly and with good tires can run with the European bikes, but you are working hard to do it. It is just too heavy!
    Yea I'm not arguing that the WR is a more capable bike. That being said, the only thing I've been unable to do on the XT is big hill climbs because of the power issue. I've done some of the most gnarly terrain to be found, on the TW, DR, and XT - John Bull Trail, Malcolm Smith trail (not sure if you saw my ride report on that...it's on TW forum from a couple months ago - https://tw200forum.com/forum/trails-o...de-2016-a.html), and some stuff harder than that in my local spot. Even a geared WR, as good of a bike as it is, still has its limitations (although, as you mention, it's certainly closer to the Euro bikes performance-wise). Rode a buddy's KTM 300 two stroke up a steep hill yesterday; insane power delivery and ridiculously light - it cleared the first 20 feet of the hill in about 1 second, with the whole bike in the air, after I shot up over a steep "lip" at the base of the hill. Damn that thing is fun - and FAST! I sure wouldn't want to try and ride it to work every day, though




    By the way, I'd be interested in seeing a ride report with some pictures, if you have one for the Loose Screw ride.
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    I will ask my son for his video of some of the single track from his go pro.
    The camera only lasted for a 1/3 of the ride.
    What was tough on this ride were the steep loose hills. My TW may have made them, but I think I would need a 13 on the front so I could get it in 2nd gear.
    I ride the TW where the pumpkins ride on Blue mountain ( McNutt), but it is not pleasant due to the ruts they leave. The guy I borrowed the WR from has a 300 KTM 2 stroke and he wants me to try it, but I keep declining as I may get hooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ejfranz View Post
    I will ask my son for his video of some of the single track from his go pro.
    The camera only lasted for a 1/3 of the ride.
    What was tough on this ride were the steep loose hills. My TW may have made them, but I think I would need a 13 on the front so I could get it in 2nd gear.
    I ride the TW where the pumpkins ride on Blue mountain ( McNutt), but it is not pleasant due to the ruts they leave. The guy I borrowed the WR from has a 300 KTM 2 stroke and he wants me to try it, but I keep declining as I may get hooked.

    Yea the Euro bikes will definitely be that low-hanging fruit that tempts you to do silly, emotionally-driven things - like selling your XT250 and DR200, giving up moto-commuting, and taking out 7k in loans to finance a new Beta 390 RR-S. Now who on Earth would do such a silly thing as that?
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