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Hey All,

As I said a few days ago in another post, my son and I both purchased 2017’s and I am reading about the questionable front tires. Does that apply to asphalt as well? In New Hampshire, we do a lot of fire roads and back country roads, but not much off-road dirt riding. Obviously, with it being my son, I want to make sure we are being safe. We both have many years of riding under our belts, but relatively new to the TW family. Are the stock tires ok? Thanks for any advice.
 

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The stock front tire is fine on pavement. It got its moniker from its tendency to wash out without warning in certain dirt situations....read: mud, slimy leaves, loose dirt, or any less than decent traction situation. Kinda like some knobbies. :p

The benefit of trials tires like the Shinko 241 is that they are great on pavement as well as various dirt situations such as pea gravel. When it comes time to replace the front, the Shinko is the current favorite.


The rear tire is fine for most people on pavement or dirt. Only folks who want to do aggressive technical dirt feel the need for an ATV tire on the rear.
 

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With a pair of relatively identically set up new TWs the option exists for a relatively inexpensive comparison tire test. You could spoon on a Shinko 241 on one bike then go for a series of riders, switch bikes back and forth, push each a bit but please don't crash. Then you could answer the age old question of : How does a new TrailWing compare to a Shinko 241 on pavement?
You could really impress us with your impressions as most of the rest of us have strong biases one way or another not necessarily based on experience.
Me? I'm an IRC GP-1 Trials kind of guy for everything from creeping up muddy goat trails to strafing twisty blacktop mountain passes...but then I am biased.:p
 

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I have been riding TWs on stock tires since 1987....4 different bikes...frequently with other riders on TWs on stock tires and have never had a problem with them on dirt, sand, mud, snow, asphalt, concrete, gravel, talus, boulders...and egg shells.... of course I ride within my ability...and with the tires in good condition and properly inflated for the conditions.... :rolleyes:
 

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its always seemed like the consensus was to change the tires i know there will be 1 or 2 that love the oem tires but i can say for a fact the front tire is a death trap on California freeways i am going with a Shinko 700 though many go with the Shinko 241 i chose the 700 over the 241 as it is slightly more geared for more street use and that is what i will be riding on ...
 

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There are better tires than stock for sure especially off road. BUT I do believe the death wing thing is a bit blown out of proportion.

Before I switched to my 244 front tire I did plenty of street riding and some sand and mud trail riding. Taking it easy and aired down the stock trail wing did just fine. The new 244 gave me a bit more bite, more confidence and better feel for the front end off road. BUT on road the 244 is bigger and heavier and made the front end a tad heavy/sluggish in comparison.

From what I have read the 241 is a good middle ground replacement that is better on street than my 244 but in comparisons to a fellow rider still lacks the incredible side bite in slippery off camber stuff I seem to find myself in offten.

Personally I plan to try a 241 if my 244 ever wears out.
 

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I vote 203/204 on or off road.
Id say the man is crazy to be suggesting these for off road. But after following him down the trail with a nearly bald set of those tires I must say they seemed to work for him well. Even in my great nemesis SAND.
 

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So those 203/204's seem the superior choice in the snow and mud that can make up a lot of off-road riding? Crtainly smooth tires can do well in the sand. s-l300.jpg
Guess I've been using the wrong tires.:D To each their own.
 

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So those 203/204's seem the superior choice in the snow and mud that can make up a lot of off-road riding? Crtainly smooth tires can do well in the sand.
Guess I've been using the wrong tires.:D To each their own.
The OP did not ask about tires for snow and mud and actually said he is not doing much off road riding. The 203/204 would be an excellent choice for him.
 

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My comment was in response to Peterb's statement of "I vote 203/204 on or off road". Reginie had already stated their acceptance of the stock tires for now for their riding on New Hampshire's fire roads which in my experience were not paved when I did mineral evaluations of old historic colonial workings there. Those primitive tracks and back roads certainly had areas of mud and snow in the fall that would challenge a 203/204 combination.
 

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So those 203/204's seem the superior choice in the snow and mud that can make up a lot of off-road riding? Crtainly smooth tires can do well in the sand. View attachment 189858
Guess I've been using the wrong tires.:D To each their own.
I watched bananachunks ride everywhere the other TW's went with this kind of tire. He seemed to do as well as the knobbies. I know, doesn't make sense but he did. Nothing stopped him.
 

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Actually we tailored the rides with Bananchunks taking into account the limitations of his tires. There were places I did not lead the groups knowing full well his tires would not make it. Those are good tires only up to a certain point, beyond that then forget it.
Some of this is semantics, just what one considers when hearing the term "Off-Road". For many this simply means the common modern urban dictionary interpretation of not on a smooth or maintained public road. For others "Off-Road " simply means not on a road. There can be a vast disparity between the two interpretations.
 

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Once you know the bikes limitations, the tires limitations, and your own limitations – all in harmony – then you’ll be fine. The problems often come from expecting more from any of the above than they can deliver

My 200 has a Hiedenau K60 on the front, and the standard TW34 rear, while the 225 runs the 203/204 combination – both set-ups have their limits, as do I as the rider. I’ve found those limits, and know that to push them (as Fred points out in his route choices for Bananachunks) would be inviting trouble

If the stock Deathwing is within “your limits”, then fine, ride it and smile – but for me, the unpredictability wasn’t worth the cost of replacement. In my opinion, the Deathwing is the “weakest link”, and not up to my standards or the bikes

The tires I have on the TW200 start a “head shake” at 68mph (indicated), but that’s flat out downhill with the wind behind you with the engine screaming its tits off, so everything it is at its limit. It’s not what the bike was designed for in the first place, the brakes being a prime example

The TW225’s run the 203/204 combo as standard simply because they’re needed for stability at the speeds the bike is capable of

Switch the two examples around and you get a compromise according to your circumstances. 203/204 on a TW200 give you a smooth ride that can handle “mild” trail work (and I attribute the rider skills people like Bananachunks have in keeping it upright), but you get the idea. Whereas the TW34 and the Deathwing would be absolutely suicidal on a TW225

And yes, if you put knobblies on the 225 and changed the gearing to 14/50 (the stock is 15/45), you’d have a fat arsed Serrow with an electric start, but let’s stop dreaming here

The possibilities are endless, but you have to factor in reality – to find that “balance” – and that’s going to different for everyone ……
 

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Actually we tailored the rides with Bananchunks taking into account the limitations of his tires.
I wasn't with you guys on those rides. The ones I remember are the rides BikerJosh planned. Admittedly the terrain was not that difficult but over that terrain the knobbies didn't seem to make much of difference.
 

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Bananachunks certainly is a good rider and he did impressive stuff with his TW tires. It is just that those fairly smooth tires go down sandy hillclimbs a bit better than they go up. :p No worries.
 

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Bananachunks certainly is a good rider and he did impressive stuff with his TW tires. It is just that those fairly smooth tires go down sandy hillclimbs a bit better than they go up. :p No worries.
George did upgrade his tires for Moab 16 though.

 
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