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2018 NE Oregon camp & ride - Father's Day Weekend

Father's Day Weekend, June 14-17, 2018

Frazier Campground & Trailhead
@ N45° 09.520' W118° 38.342'
Winom-Frazier OHV, SE of Ukiah, Oregon
(https://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/umatilla/recarea/?recid=56535)

"IN": Admiral, Mrs. Admiral, Leisure Time Larry, SKC, ejfranz, Bodi, Mountain Yawp, WHS, AllanB, grewen (gre but not wen), Appleguy, Bladesmith (updated 6-2-18)

This will be a wonderful meet-up camp & ride and all are welcome. Clearly the focus will be on TW200s, but all bikes, ATVs and UTV usage is fine. This is dry camping in a forest service campground. There are sites to accommodate all size RVs and tents. The small town of Ukiah has a couple of choices for lodging and hook-up RV sites for those not wanting or able to dry camp. Ukiah is 17 miles from the campground, so not too bad of a jaunt to meet up or get fuel or supplies. The rides offer something for all tastes... scenic two lane asphalt highways, dirt/gravel forest service roads, ATV two track trails in multiple difficulty levels, and motorcycle single track trails.

A few notes:

-To ride OHV in Oregon, you must complete their OHV safety course. This can be done online, and it is easy enough, but it does take some time, around 1-2 hrs. You can then print a temporary card, and they will mail you a plastic permanent one. It is FREE. Here is the link for more info... Oregon Parks and Recreation Department: ATVs ATV Safety Training

-To ride OHV in Oregon, you must have an Oregon ATV Permit sticker. You can purchase one online for $10 and it is good for 2 years. You will be required to enter a class of permit (motorcycles are Class III), make, model and VIN#. Purchase here: https://store.oregonstateparks.org, or check to see if your state has a reciprocity agreement with Oregon, and for more information click here: Oregon Parks and Recreation Department: ATVs ATV Permits

*-There has been some questions raised as to whether you need these items if riding a street plated TW from other areas. Reading up on the subject leads me to believe, YES, you will need BOTH if you want to ride on TRAILS (You don't need to do this if you want to come and just ride asphalt or gravel roads). Unlike some western states, Oregon considers any vehicle (including street plated motorcycles) intending to ride OHV trails... an ATV, and as an ATV the rider MUST have and carry an Oregon ATV Safety Training Card and an Oregon ATV Permit, OR hold reciprocal documents from their home states that are applicable under Oregon law. To each their own, but since the maximum cost here is $10 and an hour or two of your time, I advise being "safe than sorry" and get them if you plan to ride in Oregon. As of this writing there is approximately a 6 month period to do it, so there's plenty of time.

Here is a link to a downloadable .pdf of the Winom-Frazier OHV area booklet, which includes a map... https://www.dropbox.com/s/lwswts3lamvnfgc/Winom-Frazier OHV Booklet.pdf?dl=0

-Here is a link to the Avenza map. Avenza is a phone app that lets you use your smarty phone as a GPS device of sorts. https://www.avenzamaps.com/maps/74974

-I've been working on GPS tracks for the area. Most of them in the .gpx file will be created by me in Garmin's Basecamp, either by tracing trails on my topo map, or drawing them in as estimated by looking at other maps such as from the booklet or the MVUMs, so they are a reference and not to be taken as Gospel. https://www.dropbox.com/s/4n7sbpu23y5bh4s/Winom-Frazier OHV.gpx?dl=0

Here are Motor Vehicle Use Maps of the area. Start with Map #7 https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/umatilla/maps-pubs/?cid=stelprdb5414334

-U.S. Highways 395 and 244, as well as paved NF roads 73, 52 and 51 all have gorgeous scenery, as do most of the surrounding roads and highways.

-The Wallowa Valley Adventure Jamboree in Enterprise, Oregon is June 7-10, 2018, the weekend before our ride. I plan on attending this too. I welcome those with the time and inclination do so also. It is said to be very informal, and all bikes are welcome. For more information... 2018 ~ 12th Annual Wallowa Valley Adventure Jamboree | Adventure Rider

-The Wildhorse Casino (Wildhorse Resort & Casino | Pendleton, Oregon) and the associated Arrowhead Travel Plaza (Arrowhead Travel Plaza ? Open 24 hours a day, Arrowhead Travel Plaza is your one stop travel solution. McDonald's Restaurant, Pacific Pride Fueling, Convenience Store, Gift Shop...) near Pendleton, OR makes a great stop. They offer many ammenities, so it can make for a great stop before or after an extended dry camping run. There is the casino for you gamblers. I like hitting the buffets at casinos. This one also has a movie theatre attached. They have a hotel and an RV park. You can also boondock in your RV in the designated lot at the casino. Next door at the travel plaza they have a free RV dump station, cheap gas and propane, ethanol-free premium, laundry and shower facilities, etc.

So, here are the videos that started this. I was riding out of the Frazier Campground & Tralhead (https://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/umatilla/recarea/?recid=56535).



Come one, come all! Please, discuss...
 

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This is gonna be a fun ride, Larry. If no one else goes we're gonna. Too early to set a concrete date but it's on the list. A map is on page 7 and nearby OHV area on page 8.

Here is the map link:
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprd3813490.pdf. I also download 4 other maps of the same area but they are just sections of the main one in the link I posted. I will try to do some printer magic and other computer wizardry of just the main map from the link.

Here's the Oregon safety card Larry mentions. Newer ones may look different but I've had mine since 2010.

 

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I haven't been on the site much for the past months, been busy camping, hunting and generally spending all my time in my new toys. Now that I'm "self-contained" so to speak, I'm definitely interested in joining this outing. Here's my new toys, I can take my TW anywhere in style now:

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From an URL that Kris posted I found that https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/invalidurl lists all the national forest sites with links.

After a bit more playing around https://www.fs.usda.gov/detailfull/s...901&width=full is an "interactive visitor map that lists recreation areas, roads and trail systems, so you can digitally explore and plan your next adventure". I like that you can zoom in and out and move to different areas through out the USA and find what the Forest Service has to offer in that area.

I got my Oregon All-Terrain Vehicle Safety Education Card in 2012 and it looks the same. The only thing that I had problems with on the online test were the regulations for under aged riders.

I believe you also need an OHV permit when you are operating on public land, I copied this off of Oregon Parks and Recreation Department: ATVs ATV Permits:

"You must display an ATV permit if you are operating your ATV on public land (and even then, the land must be specifically designated for ATV use).
The ATV Permit Fee is $10.00 (Most permit agents charge an extra .50), and it is valid for two years.
You can purchase them online at https://store.oregonstateparks.org, and through State Park offices and permit vendors. See the latest permit agent list.
Additionally, you can also purchase the permit over the phone, with VISA or MasterCard, by calling 1-800-551-6949. Hours are 8 am to 5pm, Monday through Friday."

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I have one on the DT and TW as I ride the dunes. If I wanted to take my truck on the dunes I would also need one for it.

More info:
An ATV/OHV operating permit that is issued in another state shall be honored in the State of Oregon if the issuing state also honors an Oregon ATV operating permit.
Regardless of the class of ATV, an operator must have a resident state ATV/OHV operating permit or a State of Oregon ATV operating permit to operate the ATV on public lands in Oregon. An Oregon ATV Operating Permit may be issued to any class ATV owned by a resident of another state.
As of March 2016, Oregon honors permits from the following states:
Arizona
California Effective February 22, 2017 Non-California residents must comply with the California Air Resources Board Red Sticker riding season requirements. For more information, click here.
Additionally, here is a link to the bulletin and the site listing the riding schedule.
Idaho
Nevada
North Dakota
Utah
Washington

These states currently have an OHV registration program that can issue a plate or decal (or both) that serves as their ATV permit to operate on or off-road. This plate may or may not make the OHV street legal to be operated on public roads and highways. Oregon recognizes other states' OHV plates or ATV permits in lieu of the Oregon ATV permit when operating off-road.
 

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From an URL that Kris posted I found that https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/invalidurl lists all the national forest sites with links.

After a bit more playing around https://www.fs.usda.gov/detailfull/s...901&width=full is an "interactive visitor map that lists recreation areas, roads and trail systems, so you can digitally explore and plan your next adventure". I like that you can zoom in and out and move to different areas through out the USA and find what the Forest Service has to offer in that area.

I got my Oregon All-Terrain Vehicle Safety Education Card in 2012 and it looks the same. The only thing that I had problems with on the online test were the regulations for under aged riders.

I believe you also need an OHV permit when you are operating on public land, I copied this off of Oregon Parks and Recreation Department: ATVs ATV Permits:

"You must display an ATV permit if you are operating your ATV on public land (and even then, the land must be specifically designated for ATV use).
The ATV Permit Fee is $10.00 (Most permit agents charge an extra .50), and it is valid for two years.
You can purchase them online at https://store.oregonstateparks.org, and through State Park offices and permit vendors. See the latest permit agent list.
Additionally, you can also purchase the permit over the phone, with VISA or MasterCard, by calling 1-800-551-6949. Hours are 8 am to 5pm, Monday through Friday."

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I have one on the DT and TW as I ride the dunes. If I wanted to take my truck on the dunes I would also need one for it.

More info:
An ATV/OHV operating permit that is issued in another state shall be honored in the State of Oregon if the issuing state also honors an Oregon ATV operating permit.
Regardless of the class of ATV, an operator must have a resident state ATV/OHV operating permit or a State of Oregon ATV operating permit to operate the ATV on public lands in Oregon. An Oregon ATV Operating Permit may be issued to any class ATV owned by a resident of another state.
As of March 2016, Oregon honors permits from the following states:
Arizona
California Effective February 22, 2017 Non-California residents must comply with the California Air Resources Board Red Sticker riding season requirements. For more information, click here.
Additionally, here is a link to the bulletin and the site listing the riding schedule.
Idaho
Nevada
North Dakota
Utah
Washington

These states currently have an OHV registration program that can issue a plate or decal (or both) that serves as their ATV permit to operate on or off-road. This plate may or may not make the OHV street legal to be operated on public roads and highways. Oregon recognizes other states' OHV plates or ATV permits in lieu of the Oregon ATV permit when operating off-road.
I'm in for this as long as it fits into my work schedule. I picked up a small toy hauler so I don't have to pull doubles anymore makes the longer drives much nicer....
 

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Yes, looks kind of old.
 
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Thanks for starting the thread and helping to get the gathering going. I plan on joining in on the fun. Solids dates would be nice sooner rather than later if I, and others, need to schedule time off of work. June will be less hot than later in the summer and usually the fires haven't started yet.
If the group decides to come over as far as Enterprise (2 hours away) during the gathering, I would be happy to help lead a ride or host a meal if wanted.
 

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Count me in! And as I live within an hour or two of the area, I would be happy to go up early and secure a group camping site at either Winom, Frazier or my personal favorite Umapine (but it is 9 miles of gravel to get there). And as an FYI, some campgrounds are free and some are not, but either way they are not expensive, especially with a group.

https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprd3813490.pdf
 

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Oregon state park web sites seems to loosely define ATVs and ORVs as “designed” or “intended” for off road operation so my point was that a plated TW200 does not meet this definition anywhere else in my experience. No where in limited research of Oregon DMV, state law, state law definitions, or Park System to they cite a statute or policy that authorizes them to lump duly licensed and registered motor vehicles as ORVs or ATVs once they leave pavement or based on any other criterion. Lots of information going other direction for regulations, statutes and authority to operate ATVs and ORVs on public roads but nothing that defines when a duly licensed motor vehicle becomes a class I,II, III, or class IV ORV.
Perhaps if Oregon stated that their regulations in greater detail confusion might be avoided. Like if you pull your car off the pavement onto a state public road shoulder are you suddenly an ORV or ATV? Same for a general aviation aircraft setting down on a dirt strip, is it now an ATV or ORV since airplanes meet Oregon state’s loose definition of what legally constitutes a motor vehicle according to their official Oregon.org legal definitions website? Unfortunately citing inaccuracies and ambiguities in published materials rarely constitutes a viable defense in court.
Obviously one can not fight a state’s or park’s policy at the time of receiving a citation by quoting state law and DMV regulations.; one would likely end up in court and receive an explanation that one is is violation of a "policy" and please pay the fine(s).
 

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Basically most of the Oregon state park websites look like they were written by people with no more than an 8th grade education and proof-read by those with a 9th grade education under the influence of some really good marijuana. It is like they just don’t care about the inaccuracies in their technical writing. For example: State published regulations state that when quoting ORS 467.030 and OAR 340-035-0030ORS 467.030; OAR 340-035-0030 that mufflers must be maintained at 99decibles (db)”. Now I do not know if I can make my TW that loud. :pOregon.gov verbiage for the park sites thus implies that any sound level other than 99db is an infraction yet this is not the case if one takes time to review the actual statutes in the Oregon.gov/laws, etc.
So it would seem that interpretation of ambiguous government publications likely lies with the officer or agency one encounters with the citation book.
These ambiguities are not limited to state governments. I have had two back to back phone conversations with Dept. of Interior representatives who directly contradict each other referring to the same issue. So I would recommend calling ahead to the actual park or jurisdiction one wishes to visit if in doubt.



 

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Fred the TW needs an OHV permit to ride on trails. If you plan to stay on established roads, then you do not need a permit.
A BC Dual Sport rider got in big shit for not having one when riding his plated dual sport on the dunes.
You even need one for your car/van/truck if you go on the dunes.
See the attachment below for the motorcycle info.
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Fred the TW needs an OHV permit to ride on trails. If you plan to stay on established roads, then you do not need a permit.
A BC Dual Sport rider got in big shit for not having one when riding his plated dual sport on the dunes.
You even need one for your car/van/truck if you go on the dunes.
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For dual-sport motorcycles like the TW, the OHV sticker thingy sounds just like Moab and Idaho. Need one if you don't have one from your home state if you ride off-road, though I have been asked twice in Idaho by Forest Service and BLM officials even though I'm legal without a sticker on forest service/blm roads, as long as I'm not on the trails.

Also, one would just have to see if your home state OHV sticker is recognized by Oregon or the state you plan to ride in. No biggy and in Idaho I'm sure the $12 to get one if you need one is far less than being caught without one.
 
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