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Here is a new proposal for America that makes sense to me. Replace just some of the cash give aways in current foos stamp programs with direct issuance of American grown produce. Nutritionally vastly more efficient than having recipients spend it on junk food at the market.
Trump's new food-stamps plan: A basket of U.S. food, direct to your ...
I witnessed a true story of a similar and successful ongoing program overseas where the poor were monthly given a shrink wrapped basic package of typical staples like rice, beans, sugar, coffee, baby formula, etc capable of keeping a small family alive.
Then a socialist government took over and decided for the "dignity" of the people they should be given a cash laden debit card instead. This happened at a vastly increased taxpayer cost. Sound familiar?
These debit cards legally bought a lot of junk food as well as cell phones, booze and jewelry. Some of this was then illegally bartered for drugs, guns and sex that otherwise could have put food on the table.
The situation of the poor did not really improve and they felt they deserved more (they certainly got fatter with the fattier junk food now making a bigger portion of their diet).
More was promised if only the socialists would be re-elected. The reds were overwhelmingly re-elected including a new president who was involved in the kidnapping and ransoming of an American Ambassador and I believe the death of one of the embassy staff as well. You remember her, our former president honored her just the other year in the White House. Their deficient spending has continued to soar while foreign investment continues to flee, their currency constantly loosing value relative to the dollar. Their government pension obligations exceed 1/2 of their gross national product. That country is not in good shape today.
Maybe there is a lesson to be learned here and time to reverse a trend.

What is wrong with supplying American food to feed Americans in need while also savings billions? American farmer will likely love it. Grocery stores, processed food manufacturers and vendors will likely hate it due to loss of food stamp expenditures and tell you lots of reasons while this is evil.

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You are right. Now pick up your gun and bombs and help instruct them in the error of their ways.
I find the best way to potty train my puppies is to give them lots of treats along with hugs and kisses. It works best if applied immediately after they poop or pee on the floor. Let me know how my trick works for you. #mytruth.



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I think most of us here in these conversations are fairly fortunate and don't have any trouble feeding ourselves. Easy place to speak from. It is clear that there are issue in how we care for and support those who have little or no wealth. Giving real food is a good start...... Education should be next....
 

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I find the best way to potty train my puppies is to give them lots of treats along with hugs and kisses. It works best if applied immediately after they poop or pee on the floor. Let me know how my trick works for you. #mytruth.



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Your truth must be wading around in puppy poop
 

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I think most of us here in these conversations are fairly privileged and don't have any trouble feeding ourselves. Easy place to speak from. It is clear that there are issue in how we care for and support those who have little or no wealth. Giving real food is a good start...... Education should be next....
Except when you take money away they'll revolt because they have to prepare and eat real food instead of twinkies...
 

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I think most of us here in these conversations are fairly privileged and don't have any trouble feeding ourselves. Easy place to speak from. It is clear that there are issue in how we care for and support those who have little or no wealth. Giving real food is a good start...... Education should be next....
Another word I despise "privileged". I was freaking homeless for a very short period of time and privilege had zero to do with me clawing my way out of my own poor choices. Perhaps FORTUNATE would be a better choice of words?


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I think most of us here in these conversations are fairly fortunate and don't have any trouble feeding ourselves. Easy place to speak from. It is clear that there are issue in how we care for and support those who have little or no wealth. Giving real food is a good start...... Education should be next....

Edited with respect for your feed back Tom.
 

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Now I'm heading out skiing because I'm giving up about $300 a day here at the resort, and it's snowing.....
 

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There are definitely better ways than the current system. Child support and insurance can put a person under the bridge and the system doesn't care if you have nothing. I have seen people on the system with newer cars, better phones, probably better food, clothes and cable than I have. If you really need help you probably can't get it. I have known a few in the situation. After 33 years of working then layed off I couldn't get any unemployment. I had to take a big pay cut and get to work immediately. Had I been single I would probably be in a tent right now while child support was taken care of. Housing is out of the ball park.
 

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I delivered welfare services here in Canada for about 4 years. I think we take better care of our citizens in need. Often many of my clients were down on their luck and just needed a leg up, we also knew who the lifestylers were and would put them under investigation and move them along. It was really no different when I did injured workers compensation, there are always malingerers. The worst thing about this food basket deal is it will likely be crappy low nutrition junk and just further marginalize the truly need in your society. There are actually those amount us who are truly in need.... Shameful for a society that professes to be Christian based.... Money is the new God.....
 

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The systems were never meant to be a source for life income but for the rebound after a downfall. I sure wish Trump would be the one to implement a jobs for everyone program. It would be cheaper to supplement a low income while someone was working and off the streets than the current handouts. The saddest part is our current system is also generational. People teach their kids to live off the system and won't work. I knew a homeless lady and kid who couldn't get help while a pregnant neighbor got help from the system while living with her parents. Go figure that one.
 

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Supposedly quality of food under the program was mentioned here:

"Households receiving $90 per month or more would get a portion in shelf-stable milk, ready to eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans and canned fruit, vegetables, and meat, poultry or fish. The remainder of the benefit would go onto the debit card for use at approved grocery stores."

-That does not sound too bad to me. Requires minimal culinary skills and equipment. Not like they are simply giving surplus flour, baking powder, lard and salt away either. I cannot imagine that the average nutritional balance of foods purchased with SNAP debit cards under the existing program is superior. And recipients still get some SNAP funds to spend at their discretion. They are not being denied making some nutritional choices, good or bad.
 

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Will be nice if you are correct Fred, if the program hits the ground we should get a basket and try it out..... I live on fresh food, don't eat much out of a can
 

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Did a bit of volunteer work an older surplus cheese give-away to the needy. And while I agree fresh food is most always better than canned food the logistical complications of transportation, warehousing and distribution of perishables can be daunting. The in-house costs per calorie delivered goes up as well as wastage when dealing with perishables.
 

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I sure wish Trump would be the one to implement a jobs for everyone program. It would be cheaper to supplement a low income while someone was working and off the streets than the current handouts.
A city or county (I think in Kansas) did this maybe 15 or 20 years ago. Instead of welfare it was jobfare. Unemployment went to almost nothing; until the ACLU stepped in. Guess you can't make people work for their money.
 
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