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THIS IS SAD---- BUT THINK ABOUT IT AFTER YOU READ IT , THEN READ IT AGAIN!!!!!!


In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburg, had this to say about the fall of the
Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: "A democracy is always
Temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
Form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until
The time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous
Gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority
Always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from
The public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
Collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a
Dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the Beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 Years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."
The Obituary follows:

" United States of America ", Born 1776, Died 2016
It doesn't hurt to read this several times.

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning...The last Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Obama: 19 Romney: 29
Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 Romney: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million Romney: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 Romney: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Romney won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low Income tenements and living off various forms of government WELFARE..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of Democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population Already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase..

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million Criminal invaders called illegal’s - and they vote - then we can say...Goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years .
 

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"Number of States won by: Obama: 19 Romney: 29
Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 Romney: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million Romney: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 Romney: 2.1"


Sounds scary and really drives home the divide in our country. It would be an effective argument, BUT THOSE STATEMENTS ARE SIMPLY NOT TRUE. Romney won 24 states, not 29 (maybe Professor Olsen was educated in a school that would benefit from Common Core to make sure simple math skills are learned by all kids?) I do say I agree with almost everything else. The taking from treasury has long been feared and can ruin us. We are also firmly on that path As for his final item that amnesty would cause a collapse of the USA within 5 years, I ask you to think whether that sounds accurate to you. At a minimum, the people that repeatedly espouse the "American exceptionalism" of the "greatest country in the history of man" surely do not think we are so fragile that we will collapse within 5 years from a population increase of around 5%, even if the grantees are currently here illegally.

Not trying to criticize the sentiment of the professor's article, just pointing out it has incorrect facts and may be making ridiculously dire predictions.
 

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I think it's an important viewpoint to consider and understand. I am a pretty conservative guy, bordering on Libertarian in many of my views. However, this particular theory has a lot of holes, not the least of which is England has had representative government (Magna Carta) since the 1200s and Democracy has existed well past these predictions across several nations. Still a great thought provoking point of view, that I believe represents a lot of what is driving a never ending "under class" of people dependent on the government dependent on others for their well being. Helps keep us on our toes and having a vigorous discussion about our future as a nation.Thanks for posting it!
 

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I was going to say 19 and 29 don't add up to 57;)

I know its 50 for those who don't get it.

England's history since Magna Carta is quit long and varied and while representative (big difference from democratic) for most of It i believe only land holders were given the vote.
 

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Yes, not a representative Democracy by today's standards, but if you use that as a basis, none of the Democracies before suffrage would qualify. It's only in very recent times that the bulk of the potential electorate could vote. Even in the U.S. blacks and women only recently gained that right.
 

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Hope this works.

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The writing structure or lack of in the first paragraph makes me question it's logic or potential lack of.

Not everyone owns land or is on welfare. How about renters? Almost everyone I knew in the city rented. And worked like dogs to pay too much for housing. It looks like Obama got mostly urban votes (majority) over Romney.

I do think people are being too complacent and blindly dependent on authorities in general.
 

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So, where does it account for those who consider Romney to be not much better than Obama?

Romney :puke: +1/2

Obama :puke::puke:
 

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The writing structure or lack of in the first paragraph makes me question it's logic or potential lack of.

Not everyone owns land or is on welfare. How about renters? Almost everyone I knew in the city rented. And worked like dogs to pay too much for housing. It looks like Obama got mostly urban votes (majority) over Romney.

I do think people are being too complacent and blindly dependent on authorities in general.
Urban Voters{in America}= Mostly Freeloading trash who pop out 80% bastard children not knowing or caring which SOB got them pregnant, but more than willing to collect every dime they can, all while not working, off the backs of the working stiffs in rural and urban America....and making sure they continue to get that "Free Stuff" by voting for Socialists who continue to promise them same, all on the backs of that shrinking workforce.
 

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Urban Voters{in America}= Mostly Freeloading trash who pop out 80% bastard children not knowing or caring which SOB got them pregnant, but more than will to collect every dime they can, all while not working, off the backs of the working stiffs in rural and urban America....and making sure they continue to get that "Free Stuff" by voting for Socialist who continue to promise them same, all on the backs of that shrinking workforce.
While that does happens there's much more to urban life then this. It doesn't sound like you've had the best urban experience. As someone who has been on welfare I can say it's not much. You can't afford to be well rested and fed properly to even perform if you get a job. Try eating nothing but KD for months and tell us how able you feel. The majority stuck on it are either discriminated against by potential employers and/or suffering mentally. All welfare does is reduce the amount of people dying in the streets. Poor people need a proper diet, self esteem and opportunity. Welfare does none of that. Don't hate the player hate the game.

Governments gain power by dividing and conquering, it's own citizens. Does every question require a yes/no answer? I think more ideal solutions are conditional. We live in a complex society in need of complex solutions. Mainsteam media further plays the piper...if it bleeds it leads. I hear violent crime declining yet media coverage is increasing.

But what do I know...it's not my job :)
 

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Here's a good one I ran across a while back. I don't know who to attribute it too so no credits.

Should be read in the tone of the voice of Jeff Foxworthy.

If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for entering and remaining in the country illegally — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If you have to get your parents’ permission to go on a field trip or to take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If you MUST show your identification to board an airplane, cash a check, buy liquor, or check out a library book and rent a video, but not to vote for who runs the government — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If the government wants to prevent stable, law-abiding citizens from owning gun magazines that hold more than ten rounds, but gives twenty F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If, in the nation’s largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but not one 24-ounce soda, because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make you fat — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If an 80-year-old woman or a three-year-old girl who is confined to a wheelchair can be strip-searched by the TSA at the airport, but a woman in a burka or a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head searched — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If a seven-year-old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his teacher is “cute,” but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class in grade school is perfectly acceptable — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more government regulation and intrusion, while not working is rewarded with Food Stamps, WIC checks, Medicaid benefits, subsidized housing, and free cell phones — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If the government’s plan for getting people back to work is to provide incentives for not working, by granting 99 weeks of unemployment checks, without any requirement to prove that gainful employment was diligently sought, but couldn’t be found — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If you pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest big-screen TV, while your neighbor buys iPhones, time shares, a wall-sized do-it-all plasma screen TV and new cars, and the government forgives his debt when he defaults on his mortgage — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If being stripped of your Constitutional right to defend yourself makes you more “safe” according to the government — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If the media panders to your openly socialist leader while the IRS targets groups with dissenting views— you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If your government 'cracks down' on legal gun sales to law abiding citizens while secretly supplying illegal guns to Mexican drug cartels— you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

If your local government (Chicago) outlawed gun ownership for 'the safety of its citizens' and now boasts the worst murder rate in the country — you might live in a nation that was founded by geniuses but is run by idiots.

What a country!

How about we give God a reason to continue blessing America?

Not all of these are exactly accurate but there is at least a hint of truth in all of them. Some (most) are dead on accurate though.
 

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While that does happens there's much more to urban life then this. It doesn't sound like you've had the best urban experience. As someone who has been on welfare I can say it's not much. You can't afford to be well rested and fed properly to even perform if you get a job. Try eating nothing but KD for months and tell us how able you feel. The majority stuck on it are either discriminated against by potential employers and/or suffering mentally. All welfare does is reduce the amount of people dying in the streets. Poor people need a proper diet, self esteem and opportunity. Welfare does none of that. Don't hate the player hate the game.

Governments gain power by dividing and conquering, it's own citizens. Does every question require a yes/no answer? I think more ideal solutions are conditional. We live in a complex society in need of complex solutions. Mainsteam media further plays the piper...if it bleeds it leads. I hear violent crime declining yet media coverage is increasing.

But what do I know...it's not my job :)
I won't argue with you on this one TW.....sad part is however, it's the poor people's{most by the own laziness or lifestyle}kids that get screwed as momma and her latest low life live in "Boyfriend" are pissing away money and food stamps on freaking drugs via the barter system, while a corrupt and incompetent social worker turns a blind eye....and trust me, working in local government for 20 watching this shit go on, I know what I'm talking about, whether in the city or rural counties and smaller towns.
 

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"How about we give God a reason to continue blessing America"?

No Chance DA....IMO he gave US up for dead long ago, and rightfully so{any country that aborts 3000 innocent unborn per day is not about to be blessed by the Divine Creator}.....we as a nation{to bad for the kids, grandkids, and future generations} are going to get what we deserve, soon enough.
 

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"How about we give God a reason to continue blessing America"?

No Chance DA....IMO he gave US up for dead long ago, and rightfully so{any country that aborts 3000 innocent unborn per day is not about to be blessed by the Divine Creator}.....we as a nation{to bad for the kids, grandkids, and future generations} are going to get what we deserve, soon enough.
Damn you Hoot, you had to bring up the 3,000 innocent unborns didn't you. I am so split on this issue of Pro Life but only because I wonder just how many of those 3K would just end up being full blown useless takers and how many could possibly turn out to be useful members of society, IE, tax paying citizens.

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Damn you Hoot, you had to bring up the 3,000 innocent unborns didn't you. I am so split on this issue of Pro Life but only because I wonder just how many of those 3K would just end up being full blown useless takers and how many could possibly turn out to be useful members of society, IE, tax paying citizens.

GaryL
I wonder how many would have found a cure for cancer or ALS or AIDS or...................
We may likely have murdered thousands of children God sent to help salvage us from many different horrors.



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I wonder how many would have found a cure for cancer or ALS or AIDS or...................
We may likely have murdered thousands of children God sent to help salvage us from many different horrors.



Tom
I am with you on those "Maybes" but then I think about all the little ones over in the middle east who are taught from birth to Hate!

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I am with you on those "Maybes" but then I think about all the little ones over in the middle east who are taught from birth to Hate!

GaryL
Even with ALL of the government mandated red tape, over 100,000 children are adopted in the U.S annually. Imagine what that number might be if it did not cost a small fortune for the "privilege" to adopt an unwanted child. I understand some of the hoops that need to be jumped through but I am going through a step child adoption right now. I have provided for this child for 12 years since he was barely a year old and this has taken 7 months and several thousand dollars. Never mind half of the paper work required was to prove I was financially capable of providing for him? Well I am slightly less capable than I was before this process started!:confused:


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Even with ALL of the government mandated red tape, over 100,000 children are adopted in the U.S annually. Imagine what that number might be if it did not cost a small fortune for the "privilege" to adopt an unwanted child. I understand some of the hoops that need to be jumped through but I am going through a step child adoption right now. I have provided for this child for 12 years since he was barely a year old and this has taken 7 months and several thousand dollars. Never mind half of the paper work required was to prove I was financially capable of providing for him? Well I am slightly less capable than I was before this process started!:confused:


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Now here's a viable solution to abortion that we need to address more often. Applause!

I think politicians want to stimulate population growth ( so the rich can get richer) now that the baby boomer generation are leaving the workforce. So welfare mothers seem to be welcome by the government.

Regarding urban poverty...the urban population density magnifies issues of the human condition that are not that different from rural.
Rural Poverty - 11 Myths and Realities
 
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