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Hey all - going to be moving to Tempe AZ this OCT/NOV and was wondering about the goat heads and other prickly things down in the desert- is the slime the way to go on tires and really, does it work? other options? I really do not like changing tubes- especially on the dub~! Also looking for new friends to ride with on the trails, fire roads and anything not too crazy~!
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RideOn Tire Sealant, better than slime in my opinion. Features minimal clean up after a flat ( that is if you ever notice) plus adds balancing benefits.
 

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+1 for the Ride-On sealant. But if you find a nail in your tire while out on the trail, leave it in till you get home!
 
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+2 for for Ride on. I used to live in Northern AZ (Holbrook 3-4 hours from tempe) so I am not a desert rider but a mountain/high plain biker. There are a ton of great places to ride in Navajo/Apache county. Every rider should do the Coronado trail (Springerville AZ to Clifton AZ) 120 miles with over 450 turns beautiful ride through the forest with 2 miles of dirt as you drive through a mine. I think that high way has top speed of 60 but it is so dead you could go 50. Heck in a pinch the ride starts at 8,000 and ends at 3,500. I would also recommend you check the petrified forest, Holbrook, sun valley, there is a seemingly endless path of dirt roads.
 

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Thanks guys- just the info I was looking for~! SO looking forward to heading down there- not until the temps break though ;-)
 

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Are you guys running a tubeless set up? the clips and info on youtube show tubeless set ups on the usage.... Thanks again in advance~! I feel this will help tons~!
 

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RideOn comes in two flavors....relatively inexpensive lumpy stuff for ATVs and the superior motorcycle grade RideOn.
Has worked well for nail puncture in a tube equipped ATV tire on my TW. However when that tire was replaced I sealed up the rim and went tubeless with fresh motorcycle grade RideOn. Rim sealing was not difficult.
 
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I keep considering going tubeless and sealing up the rims. Put a Tubliss system on my enduro, and never once looked back. But, they only come in 18,19, and 21" sizes. Not super wide 14". I guess you could use a "rear" 18" tubliss on the front of the TW, but they throw the wheel balance way off (they're technically for off-road only). On my Beta I put a bunch of spoke weights opposite the valve block on the Tubliss system which helped a lot. The TW I'm sure wouldn't mind eliminating a few pounds of rotating/unsprung mass either by tossing the tubes. I noticed a considerable difference just swapping the UHD tubes the previous owner put in with standard ones (almost 5lbs difference). Better stability at speed, suspension was less bouncy, and acceleration seemed a bit brisker.

My hangup against sealing the rims was I wasn't sure how well silicone would hold up over time, but it seems a few people here have been running it for at least a couple years and I haven't heard of failures or slow leaks.

I just have regular Slime in my TW and it's always got me home. I hear good things about the Ride-On, but I go to Cycle gear and it's like $14 for a teeny little bottle that's enough for maybe one small tire. I was going to use it on my Valkyrie, and going by their not-exactly-simple dosage calculation I would have needed almost 4 bottles of the stuff for a 180 width rear and a 150 width front. $60+? No thanks. Bought a Stop-n-Go kit for the same price instead.

A gallon of Slime is like $20 at wally world and is enough for a dozen or so tires.
 

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RideOn comes in two flavors....relatively inexpensive lumpy stuff for ATVs and the superior motorcycle grade RideOn.
Has worked well for nail puncture in a tube equipped ATV tire on my TW. However when that tire was replaced I sealed up the rim and went tubeless with fresh motorcycle grade RideOn. Rim sealing was not difficult.
I'd be interested in how you went about this.
 

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I basically followed Skinwalker's thread with a few minor personal touches. I used a right angle valve stem for ease of inflation and pressure monitoring. Urethane took many winter days to dry suspended in front of wood stove, silicone would have cured much quicker.[h=3]How to: Tubeless Rim for Duro Powergrip Tire[/h]
Of course once installed I had to go out and flog the tubless conversion mercilessly for the last 8 months....sand, desert, rock, snow, mud, high speed pavement without any leakage.
[h=3]TerraCrossing the Line[/h]
 
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So IMHO going tubeless with RideOn might be better in long run than a heavy duty tube.
Slime is an affordable option for tubes but messy if you ever get a flat and want to patch it yourself.
Personally I try to stay as far away from the cholla as possible, fortunately I only see it on the southern end of my riding range down by Mt.Whitney. cactus.jpg
 

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Indeed, the Cholla. Somehow these bastards find their way to you by magic. Dubbed, the jumping cactus, they come off the plant way too easy and are a pain in the ass, (literally) to get off your body. As for goatheads, be sure to clean off your shoes before going indoors, better yet take your kicks off at the door or they WILL be burying themselves in your bare feet. Foot pain meter- 1. Goathead, 2. Legos, 3. Thumb tack. Got it? Good!
 
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+2 for for Ride on. I used to live in Northern AZ (Holbrook 3-4 hours from tempe) so I am not a desert rider but a mountain/high plain biker. There are a ton of great places to ride in Navajo/Apache county. Every rider should do the Coronado trail (Springerville AZ to Clifton AZ) 120 miles with over 450 turns beautiful ride through the forest with 2 miles of dirt as you drive through a mine. I think that high way has top speed of 60 but it is so dead you could go 50. Heck in a pinch the ride starts at 8,000 and ends at 3,500. I would also recommend you check the petrified forest, Holbrook, sun valley, there is a seemingly endless path of dirt roads.
I have driven the famed Coronado trail more than a 100 times, most of them with a horse trailer. I have yet to do it on a bike but the TW would NOT be my first choice! Too many steep grades and it's all pavement!

I haven't had a flat yet and I have been in some gnarly places (I hope I didn't just jinx myself!)
 

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Not a whole lot of miles. But maybe 750 miles so far in cactus country. Ride on in stock tw tires. no flats yet (fingers crossed).
On the bicycle, I did a survey of bike shops in Phoenix. About 50-50 tubeless vs tube. I swear by tubeless with Stans no leak in tubes. Have picked up many goat heads with only one flat. Picked out or broke off 50 some goat heads. refilled with Stans, aired up and been good for 7 months now
 

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I ended up going tubeless on the TW. Cleaned the rims up good and ran a scotch-brite around the inner surface. Sealed the spokes with 3M 5200 Marine adhesive sealant, that seemed to be the favorite among a few write ups I came across (this is apparently a somewhat popular mod among the Honda VTX cruiser crowd, since tubes on long haul heavy cruisers isn't a great combo). A 3oz tube was enough to do both wheels with only a little bit leftover (just dabbing it around the nipples, not filling the whole drop center) and it ran about $10 at a local marine store. Gave it the 24 hours to cure per the directions (that was the "rapid cure" variant, the normal said to allow 3 days for handling and a full 7 to cure). Normal silicone sealant may work perfectly fine as well, and it's considerably cheaper.

Put the tires back on and aired up. The front 241 was a bit difficult to get to seat, the beads curl in so you have to really blast air in there and get it centered for them to grab the rim and start taking air, wasn't a huge deal though. The beads slipped onto the rim without much effort. The rear did not have this issue and inflated readily, with a tubeless-like "snap" as each bead seated. Did a leak check with soapy water, before adding any sealant. On the front, one spoke had a slight bubbling around the nipple. On the rear, two did. No leaks at the beads on either one. I was planning on adding slime anyway, so did that (did 8oz in the front tire, and 12 in the rear). The directions say 8oz for a motorcycle tire but 24 for a ATV, so I gave the rear tire an extra couple pumps. Took it for a brief ride, bubbling had stopped on all 3 marked spokes, and it's been holding pressure just fine for several days now.

I did notice the handling is quicker, particularly at higher speeds from the loss of the weight of the tubes. I won't say it's noticeably faster, although it does seem to maintain speed on the highway a bit easier than before, and the rear spins up off road a little more readily as well.

So, a "must do"? No. I had no real complaints with tubes+slime, couple times I got punctures I was always able to make it back. I was more curious as to how this would work than anything else. If I were do do it again, I'd probably try for more of a "layer" of sealant, rather than just dabs to hopefully not need a sealant to take care of a couple small leaks- although I would have added one anyway for puncture insurance.
 

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I've used Slime,Ride-On and a few others. I have found they only slow down but do not seal an inner tube leak. Seems the tubes flex to much for them to work well and the bottles have that written on them as such. Still run Ride-On in all my motorcycle and riding lawn mowers if anything to give me enough time to pull off the road.
 

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I use ride-on in all my motorcycle tires ( Wee, DT200, WR250r and TW200).Yes, it is expensive, but it does a great job of balancing the tires. The WR and DT front wheels have nice dents in them and before adding Ride-on to the tubes they had quite a bit of shake. Now, I don’t even notice it even at 75 mph on the WR.
I have been riding down in Arizona for the last 2 winters and no flats so far. I did dent the front rim of the DT - too low of tire pressure and going too fast.
 

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For what it's worth, I rode in the desert around Phoenix quite a bit, and never got a flat from a cactus- including the time I crashed into one. I suppose its always better to be safe than sorry, but I bet you'll also be fine as long as you don't make a habit of running them over.

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There's a lot of good riding around there, but my favorite trail is the "back road" to Crown King. It goes north from Lake Pleasant to a little town of Crown King. The ride is quite fun without being super difficult and the Crown King Saloon is awesome. Good beer and food [especially when they have the Chili cookoff...]. It's about a 60 mile round trip and a pretty good way to spend a Saturday morning, I think. The trail is a little hard to find the first time though, the only marker is a big rock with a mostly faded "CK->" painted on it.

https://azoffroading.com/arizona-trails/backway-to-crown-king/

This site says 4-5 hours, but that's "Jeep Time". It's realistically about half that on a bike.
 
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