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In answer to the question..."Is Big Bend Open despite the Shutdown...technically "NO" however, you can enter, and the Lodge as well as private stores in Panther Junction and Rio Grande Village are open, and none Federal Campsites are being used...so it is open per say

For those that have never been there, as Darth says, there is just not enough time to see it all....Nick and I spend 9 days and still didn't ride all the areas we wanted...plus you have Terlingua and the outlaying area, where there is much to see....

Here are a few sites from 2016

Big Bend Hoot Juan Grave.JPG Big Bend Motorcycle Run 2016 033.JPG Big Bend Motorcycle Run 2016 019.JPG Big Bend Motorcycle Run 2016 073 (1).JPG Chisos Overlook.jpg
 

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Just re~checked and the Park is open, but don't use the Shitters :eek::evil6:

Seriously though the Park is open and as of yesterday the rest room facilities are in operation and trash removal is being done with the "recreational" fees...don't be fooled by the BS from the Lame Stream Media....the End is not Near, just because 1/4 of the Fed "Workers" {an Oxymoron if there ever was one} are on leave....{for which they will be paid for in full once the Prez and Congress get off their collective asses and make a deal....

We now return you to your previously delusional news...and here is a link{you can also check out the Big Bend Facebook page and see what is still happening

https://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/government-shutdown.htm?fbclid=IwAR17AazW5KQJwKp2MxrdP7Sm3dDcChWBwgl9uZJaaOQ7t4VoibvT4tRu6wI
 

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Big Bend National Park
Yesterday at 11:21 AM ·
Shutdown Update:
Using revenue generated from recreation fees, Big Bend National Park will resume routine basic custodial services and trash removal today. This will allow the re-opening of Old Maverick Road, Santa Elena Canyon trail, and restrooms/vault toilets that have previously been closed.
 

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Big Bend National Park
Yesterday at 11:21 AM ·
Shutdown Update:
Using revenue generated from recreation fees, Big Bend National Park will resume routine basic custodial services and trash removal today. This will allow the re-opening of Old Maverick Road, Santa Elena Canyon trail, and restrooms/vault toilets that have previously been closed.
It's a long way off until we head there at the end of April so I am not concerned at this point.

As for this partial shut down, very few of us here have even felt it or would even know if not for all the MSM hype about it. There could be a silver lining to it all in another week. Federal employees who are union members are nearly impossible to fire or even lay off. That all changes if they are furloughed for more than 30 days. Non Essential employees can be fired after 30 days of furlough. what a great way to reduce the federal governments work force by 25 % real quick. Draining the swamp in a smooth move just like President Reagan did with the air traffic controllers. After 30 days they have no protection and can be let go as Non Essential which many really are.

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Just re~checked and the Park is open, but don't use the Shitters :eek::evil6:

Seriously though the Park is open and as of yesterday the rest room facilities are in operation and trash removal is being done with the "recreational" fees...don't be fooled by the BS from the Lame Stream Media....the End is not Near, just because 1/4 of the Fed "Workers" {an Oxymoron if there ever was one} are on leave....{for which they will be paid for in full once the Prez and Congress get off their collective asses and make a deal....

We now return you to your previously delusional news...and here is a link{you can also check out the Big Bend Facebook page and see what is still happening

https://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/government-shutdown.htm?fbclid=IwAR17AazW5KQJwKp2MxrdP7Sm3dDcChWBwgl9uZJaaOQ7t4VoibvT4tRu6wI

I was furlough twice in 2013 when President Obama was well, the President. Actually, I was furloughed several days throughout the summer and when the political clowns (this applies to all parties) couldn't agree by the end of September that year I was furloughed again in October.

Yes, this put us in a pinch but what does the Admiral do when things get tough?


I went for a ride. Closed shitters and all. Yeehaw!:p



 

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So it was basically like a paid vacation?
No work responsibilities during the furlough, but you got a delayed paycheck for those days of no work, right?
If any federal workers are having financial trouble then it is their mistake for lack of previous fiscal planning including adequate savings to tide them over the rainy days that are part of life. Most should be able to avail themselves to a line of credit based on knowledge that federal payments will ultimately arrive, unless they are already significantly in debt.
 

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So it was basically like a paid vacation?
No work responsibilities during the furlough, but you got a delayed paycheck for those days of no work, right?
If any federal workers are having financial trouble then it is their mistake for lack of previous fiscal planning including adequate savings to tide them over the rainy days that are part of life. Most should be able to avail themselves to a line of credit based on knowledge that federal payments will ultimately arrive, unless they are already significantly in debt.
We did not get paid or receive back pay for the days we were furloughed during the summer.

We did get paid after the October furlough's which was more like what's going on today. We were brought back to work a week after being furloughed without pay until the clowns agreed on whatever it was they were not agreeing on. Then we got paid. Of course, we planned on this "no pay" situation so we were ok for a while. One of my co-workers who will go nameless sucks at managing finances and was scared to death about losing it all. She did just fine but you couldn't tell her that at the time.



Back to Big Bend. Ride it and have fun even if you have to take a dooger out back somewhere. Hopefully, no one will step in it.
 

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I have friends and relatives who are all union carpenters and construction workers. They earn good salaries but they all know to be prepared for when the jobs get slow or they are between projects. In the prisons we had a different situation with over time through the roof and all of us learning to live on swelled pay checks. Then all of a sudden the OT would dry up to nothing and we all had to go back to base pay salary checks. Some guys were very foolish and had their fancy cars and trucks repossessed and all sorts of other financial issues. One thing I did when I first got the job was to sock away as much as possible until I had a full 6 months of pay saved in the bank just for those rainy days. In the first full year we were probationary employees and they need no reason at all to lay you off or fire you. If the state budget was not passed we could be sent home without pay and not a damn thing we could do about it. I have been retired now for 20 years but I still have that very same credit union account with half a years salary plus interest over all these years that I never once touched. I sure did get mighty short on cash a number of times during my career but the rule to never touch the rainy day fund held fast and still does.
If I read the rules regarding furloughed employees correctly it has to be 30 days straight before you could be let go, laid off or the job itself could be eliminated.

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So it was basically like a paid vacation?
No work responsibilities during the furlough, but you got a delayed paycheck for those days of no work, right?
If any federal workers are having financial trouble then it is their mistake for lack of previous fiscal planning including adequate savings to tide them over the rainy days that are part of life. Most should be able to avail themselves to a line of credit based on knowledge that federal payments will ultimately arrive, unless they are already significantly in debt.
Watched the Press Conference they {workers(sic):rolleyes: } were having outside Mitch McConnells' office, not a skinny one in the bunch, but none could pay their bills after a week without a paycheck....sounds like they might need a money management course....:sad11:

It is said that 70% of Americans live pay check to pay check? I used to, back when I was in college...waiting for my $50 a week from my bar tending weekend gig and Uncle Sam's GI Bill payments....:dink:
 

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Damn....sorry I got off track...back to Big Bend! :cool:

We are still in the working/planning stages but April 29th through May 8th or so are the picked out dates at this point....
 

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Stopped by {Mark Sampson} Big Dog's Web Site today and was reading about his Texas adventure with his wife....they ended up at Big Bend on New Year's Eve and Day...park is closed but there are parts you are allowed into you just can't sleep there....except at the lodge and the Private Campground

However the reason I posted, they came across a couple of "Desert Rats" as they approached Big Bend....anybody Recognize the TW? View attachment 188216


On case you've never been to the Big Dog's Site...below is the link, he has made a retirement career out of Dual Sporting for the past decade and more

2018-19 Southwest2


Despite being "Closed" Big Dog has some good photos of the Big Bend portion of his trip....
Bump Part 6 of his Winter in the Southwest has been posted....lots of decent photos of hiking, bike rides, and dual sport rides...
 

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Looks like we have set the dates for Big Bend 2019 and they appear to be FINAL{?} ... maybe :laughing8:

Looks like Mel and Gary L may arrive a day or 2 before Hoot...as I run our Air Force Sky Cop Vietnam Reunion from April 25-28th...so I get home from Dayton get a day's rest and head to the Rio Grande via Terlingua on April 30th...should arrive on the 2nd of May...will stay for a week or so...Mel, Gary, and ? Will be there by the 1st, that is my best guess...anybody that wants to drop in on a few Old Geezers is more than welcome...not sure how much riding we will do, but for sure the coffee will be on and the 4WDs will be on the easier trails, and Beer in the evenings...

And you folks heading for Moab have fun and stay safe...
 

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Looks like we have set the dates for Big Bend 2019 and they appear to be FINAL{?} ... maybe :laughing8:

Looks like Mel and Gary L may arrive a day or 2 before Hoot...as I run our Air Force Sky Cop Vietnam Reunion from April 25-28th...so I get home from Dayton get a day's rest and head to the Rio Grande via Terlingua on April 30th...should arrive on the 2nd of May...will stay for a week or so...Mel, Gary, and ? Will be there by the 1st, that is my best guess...anybody that wants to drop in on a few Old Geezers is more than welcome...not sure how much riding we will do, but for sure the coffee will be on and the 4WDs will be on the easier trails, and Beer in the evenings...

And you folks heading for Moab have fun and stay safe...
 

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so looks like I will be out there on the 8th for about a week... don't ever commit to much on these trips although I would like to ride with some other old geezers on tw's . I usually decide about a week beforehand, but either way, I will be out there with a tw and an xt225 behind my camper on next wed...riding regardless...yeah!
 

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so looks like I will be out there on the 8th for about a week... don't ever commit to much on these trips although I would like to ride with some other old geezers on tw's . I usually decide about a week beforehand, but either way, I will be out there with a tw and an xt225 behind my camper on next wed...riding regardless...yeah!
Well, Good to hear you will be there but I think there won't be any of us to ride with. The trip pretty much fell apart for me having an impacted wisdom tooth problem affecting my vision that I am just getting over. Hoot was pretty busy trying to coordinate too much into a rather tight window with scheduling other events and Mel called his run off mostly due to all the garbage going on around the Mexican border. No other members committed to this gathering so you will be on your own at Big Bend this week. We might try again this fall but that too is already looking bad for me with a pre scheduled Family reunion down in Hilton Head SC in November. Planning these trips and reunion type events is pretty much like herding cats. I have a total of 8 first cousins left and we are spread all over from Michigan, NY, Florida and NC and getting them all to commit to a date and VRBO rental was a monumental task. I won't be surprised if even after paying the rental house in full we still have a drop out or two because life does have it's twists and turns and we never know that far out what will come. We all grew up together right here in the NY Catskills but have not all been together as a family for over 40 years and the family sure has gotten smaller in the seniors side with those who are no longer with us. Our forum has members from all over the country and other parts of the world so getting many of us to all agree on a place and commit to a time is unbelievably difficult. My drive was going to be 2200 miles one way and no way I could do it with one eye looking straight and the other looking east. Had dental surgery on Monday and just starting to feel better today.

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oh well...I will be going out there with a friend, and staying with some friends that live out on terlingua ranch for part of the time so im pretty excited about it anyway. I never know if i'll be able to make trips like these until the last minute...planning months in advance is not usually a possibility. I like to camp, and move about, changing campsites rather frequently anyway. I would have loved to have been able to make moab, but its more than twice as far, and for only a week, which is all I have this time, I just can't pull it off comfortably. I've been out to big bend before several times, but never with the bikes so I do have some areas in mind that I wasn't able to access before that I want to explore, and also looking forward to camping and exploring big bend ranch state park, as i've read there are many miles of jeep roads in there, and you can have fires in the fire rings, unlike the national parks no fires policy. camping is just not the same without a campfire. So, I will be out there from may 8-16 or maybe a day or 2 longer if anyone else decides they might be able to make it...weather is looking pretty good right now, probably the last chance to beat the serious heat! Hope to meet some fellow tw'ers if not this time then some other time...sounds like a fun group of people.
 
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