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Well I guess your not getting one then. I didn't see a muffler that wasn't under $239.99. If you act now though you can get a TTR 225 for 20% off till July 17th for their 1st year anniversary sale. It doesn't take much to modify one.
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That $169 for a slip one doesn't sound bad. The $239.99 reference was to the mufflers that big gun was selling. I wonder how much a muffler shop would charge for a pipe to be bent up?
a friend of mine offered to bend me ones until it sounds right and notice a power shift. but thats because hes a friend, ill ask what he would do it for.
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+1 I've yet to see any dyno tests that show any pipe better than the stocker as far as power output. My experience with the straight-pipe-and-can exhausts is that they sometimes provide a bit more peak horsepower, but kill half the bottom half of the torque curve. Good for some racing, bad for any other use. There is a reason virtually no consistently winning normally aspirated spark ignition engines run straight pipes in any type of competition that requires any kind of powerband at all.
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I would be interested in a slip on or a whole system if you actually got some performance out of the pipe and not just more noise. I actually installed an additional silencer on the stock muffler of my TW200 to make it super quiet. The tires make more noise than the engine. It would be nice if the new pipe was quiet too.
I called them last week to order repacking material and got to talking to them about it. I have a ttr225 on with slight mods. Overall I am happy with it. I am 4 over with a 120 main(old style carb) and 4 shims. The bike runs simply great. I rode all last weekend with a friend with a 4 over piston 118 main and stock exhaust. Simply put I have more low end, can get up to speed faster and have about the same top end. I spent some time with the carb to get it right but now that it is I cna't believe the difference over stock with all these mods. The reason I ordered the big gun is because it is a full pipe from the header. And it gets progressively larger until it gets to the can. So their new exhaust is worth the extra cost. I run the vortex quiet core and it idles the same As my friends fmf but is louder when you get on it. I gave the guy at big gun some rough measurements to change the mounting points and think it is worth the cost. A big gun for tw's full from header! yes, bring it on.
Here is my advice. The power gain is nice. BUT IT IS NOT WORTH IT. I just spent all morning repacking my exhaust. Big gun reccomends after 15 hrs of riding. 60$ for the repacking which is supposed to last 40 hrs. Why wouldn't an exhaust pushing 500$ come with that packing. I apologize to the guys at big gun, but this thing is not of good quality. I have over an hour trying to line up one of the bolts, way off. It came out of the box with a hole at the weld. I am not happy with this thing! Buy from someone else! I will be happy if big gun ships me a new one of good quality with the right packing already in it. Otherwise it will take a month to ship it back to them. Also found a lot of bad reviews around the net about them. Frustrating to say the least!
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Hush. No sense dumping salt. At least he is smart enough to learn from his own mistakes. Most people aren't. Most people change the exhaust, rejet the carb, then credit the power gain to the pipe. Truth be known, most power gain in a TW in the North American market is from the rejet. Yup, one can attain exactly the same results from a proper carb tune as just about anything else, and unless the carb is right, any other mod will cost power.
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Sorry, Qwertster. I'd sure hate to run afoul of the Emily Post of the site.
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I said that for the benefit of everyone, not to make the OP feel foolish.
Not dumping salt. Just stating fact. Pound-for-pound, dollar-for-dollar an exhaust system offers the very LEAST bang for the buck of any modification known to man, yet is the one at which the most money is thrown needlessly.
A lot of folks, particularly newbies and the very young have been force fed the notion that ALL bikes, trucks, cars somehow automatically have deficient O.E.M. exhaust and intake systems, and that the only way to avoid this (generally imaginary) plague is to hand over cubic dollars to outfits like Borla, Big Gun, K&N (insert name of most effective advertize) et al.
Our bike isn't one of them.
Go to a major offroad area on a busy weekend. Peruse the spendy exhausts by your favorite advertizer. Ignore the mounting tabs and headpipe. Odds are you'll notice a pattern after awhile.
Surprise, surprise! The system sold by MFR. X for an XYZ250 Superzipper appears to be physically the same as the one they sell for the ZYX650 Dunemonger. Why ya reckon that is? Because thay ARE.
How do they pull off this scam? They con YOU into rejetting and tuning YOUR bike to THEIR generic system. This allows them to expand their scam and use the same tooling over a broader displacement range, and folks line up like lemmings with cash in hand, willing to repack them every month? Add to that the fact that once you ding one of these hunks of stainless or (worse) aluminum they become nearly impossible to dissassemble for repacking.
Sorry, but it's one of my pet peeves.
The only viable exception to this scam is one of the obnoxious-sounding Supertrapps, which if chosen properly at least allow YOU to tune THEIR system to YOUR motor, but then they package the thing in such a way that it self-destructs in a month and still requires repacking. Total junk.
I said that for the benefit of everyone, not to make the OP feel foolish.
Not dumping salt. Just stating fact. Pound-for-pound, dollar-for-dollar an exhaust system offers the very LEAST bang for the buck of any modification known to man, yet is the one at which the most money is thrown needlessly.
A lot of folks, particularly newbies and the very young have been force fed the notion that ALL bikes, trucks, cars somehow automatically have deficient O.E.M. exhaust and intake systems, and that the only way to avoid this (generally imaginary) plague is to hand over cubic dollars to outfits like Borla, Big Gun, K&N (insert name of most effective advertize) et al.
Our bike isn't one of them.
Go to a major offroad area on a busy weekend. Peruse the spendy exhausts by your favorite advertizer. Ignore the mounting tabs and headpipe. Odds are you'll notice a pattern after awhile.
Surprise, surprise! The system sold by MFR. X for an XYZ250 Superzipper appears to be physically the same as the one they sell for the ZYX650 Dunemonger. Why ya reckon that is? Because thay ARE.
How do they pull off this scam? They con YOU into rejetting and tuning YOUR bike to THEIR generic system. This allows them to expand their scam and use the same tooling over a broader displacement range, and folks line up like lemmings with cash in hand, willing to repack them every month? Add to that the fact that once you ding one of these hunks of stainless or (worse) aluminum they become nearly impossible to dissassemble for repacking.
Sorry, but it's one of my pet peeves.
The only viable exception to this scam is one of the obnoxious-sounding Supertrapps, which if chosen properly at least allow YOU to tune THEIR system to YOUR motor, but then they package the thing in such a way that it self-destructs in a month and still requires repacking. Total junk.
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Sorry, Qwertster. I'd sure hate to run afoul of the Emily Post of the site.![]()
I said that for the benefit of everyone, not to make the OP feel foolish.
Not dumping salt. Just stating fact. Pound-for-pound, dollar-for-dollar an exhaust system offers the very LEAST bang for the buck of any modification known to man, yet is the one at which the most money is thrown needlessly.
A lot of folks, particularly newbies and the very young have been force fed the notion that ALL bikes, trucks, cars somehow automatically have deficient O.E.M. exhaust and intake systems, and that the only way to avoid this (generally imaginary) plague is to hand over cubic dollars to outfits like Borla, Big Gun, K&N (insert name of most effective advertize) et al.
Our bike isn't one of them.
Go to a major offroad area on a busy weekend. Peruse the spendy exhausts by your favorite advertizer. Ignore the mounting tabs and headpipe. Odds are you'll notice a pattern after awhile.
Surprise, surprise! The system sold by MFR. X for an XYZ250 Superzipper appears to be physically the same as the one they sell for the ZYX650 Dunemonger. Why ya reckon that is? Because thay ARE.
How do they pull off this scam? They con YOU into rejetting and tuning YOUR bike to THEIR generic system. This allows them to expand their scam and use the same tooling over a broader displacement range, and folks line up like lemmings with cash in hand, willing to repack them every month? Add to that the fact that once you ding one of these hunks of stainless or (worse) aluminum they become nearly impossible to dissassemble for repacking.
Sorry, but it's one of my pet peeves.
The only viable exception to this scam is one of the obnoxious-sounding Supertrapps, which if chosen properly at least allow YOU to tune THEIR system to YOUR motor, but then they package the thing in such a way that it self-destructs in a month and still requires repacking. Total junk.
All true. The SuperTrapp actually is a megaphone exhaust, which is why the can sometimes performe well.
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