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The MSRP on a new 2012 TW200 is $4490. It seems like this is just a random number put out so that salesmen can undercut it and start off talking about $4250, and then start tacking on more and more fees until the bike is well over the $5200 mark. The first place I called started at 3500 or something and was at 4500 by the time he finished adding on crap, not counting tags. The second place would have to order it and he started off at 4250 and ended up at $5200.



What can I expect to pay for one of these suckers "out the door"? I feel like I should be a lot closer to the $4,250-$4500 range (at the second place, which is a local dealership. The first one is 150 miles away.
 

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I see no compelling reason to buy new if you're planning a conversion down the road.



Not much has been changed on these bikes since '87, and ultimately you'll be using very little of the original hardware.



If you want a nice, reliable toy far into the future and don't plan a conversion, new would be the way to go. Otherwise you might consider a good clean '01-up unit for less than half the cost. Same bike, same eqipment.



Just my .02. You'll be ditching $3500 worth in hard parts for 10 cents on the dollar after the conversion if you go new
 

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I see no compelling reason to buy new if you're planning a conversion down the road.



Not much has been changed on these bikes since '87, and ultimately you'll be using very little of the original hardware.



If you want a nice, reliable toy far into the future and don't plan a conversion, new would be the way to go. Otherwise you might consider a good clean '01-up unit for less than half the cost. Same bike, same eqipment.



Just my .02. You'll be ditching $3500 worth in hard parts for 10 cents on the dollar after the conversion if you go new


That is absolutely part of the plan. I've been hunting but they aren't very popular down here. At least, not many being sold used. I do plan to ride it for a year, and I do like the idea of having a new bike over a used bike simply because I'll know exactly what has happened to it.



Also I won't be "ditching" anything. I'll be keeping the engine/transmission/etc for some future project.
 

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hey chisleu, where do you live? i bought my new TW in plainfield ,ct. a place called motorsports nation. $4265 out the door with a four year extended warranty, helmet and two pairs of gloves.
 

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A'ight, then. Look forward to watching your conversion take shape.



What's the rough cost of the hub motor/batteries/controller you're currently considering?
 

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A'ight, then. Look forward to watching your conversion take shape.



What's the rough cost of the hub motor/batteries/controller you're currently considering?


Mars motor: http://www.evdrives.com/mars_motor_me1003.html



Hub motor: http://www.enertrac.net/product.php (the $1300 includes a lot of stuff)



Controller about $500-700



Batteries (holy crap) $2000-3500 depending. This is the critical part. Good batteries (and enough of them) will last a long long time (5+ years) and provide fantastic range (spelled out my high ambitions already.) Lifepo4 72-106vdc 100-150AH is the plan. It's a huge huge investment, but after 5 years of paying around $.005 per mile in electricity vs $.19 in gasoline, it can pay off. The range is the only real limit you put on yourself, and by using more batteries (higher capacity) you lower the draw to each cell, which makes them last much longer. Drawing 5c instead of 7.5c is huge for most cells.



Say I run 5000 miles a year (rather ambitious for sure...) with $4/gal gas and 75mpg. I'll be about $266 in gas. At .005c per mile it will be about $25. With a 4000-5000 cycle lifespan and 100 mile range, I'll only be charging once a week, about 50 times a year. The batteries would last many years, maybe decades.



No one really knows because no one has had to replace batteries yet!
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Even if you only get 1000 cycles, you are looking at 20 years. That's $5320 in gas vs $3k in batteries and $500 in electricity.



These are very conservative numbers if I'm doing everything right. Sorry, I've just been trusting the numbers I've seen around and decided to do a set myself to see. Most of them are comparing the 40-50 you get from large bikes instead of the 75ish I think people are getting from this bike.
 

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I have been getting closer to 50mpg at near sustained 30 mile runs at 65mph. YMMV.



Anyway, I second LB's suggestion for buying used. I think I may be able to find one near Charleston and one near Beaufort. Let me dig through my saved files...
 

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I have been getting closer to 50mpg at near sustained 30 mile runs at 65mph. YMMV.



Anyway, I second LB's suggestion for buying used. I think I may be able to find one near Charleston and one near Beaufort. Let me dig through my saved files...


I agree. The only reason I was going new was the price doesn't seem to fall very much until you get to the ones with tons of miles.



Also, I plan for this to be my kid's first form of transportation. Of course electric bikes will probably be the norm in 12 years, but that's what they said about those damned jetpacks!



I've been hunting used bikes since I started looking for a bike! ebay, cycle trader, craigslist, etc.
 

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Thanks man! I missed the ones in Greenville/Charlotte That one in Charlotte looks awesome!



I should be clear, my toy budget is limited. It will take me a year or so to get the electronic components (gives me time to find the right deals too, and do painstakingly delicious research!
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I won't be ready to pay cash for a bike until January or so, in all likelyhood, however there is a serious chance that one of these might just show up at Christmas. I'm good at planting ideas.
 

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I hear ya. In my experience these ads will be active for a while. Just save the phone numbers or email addresses in case the listing is eaten by the web.



I hunted by bike for a while and it has taken me close to a year to research, source parts, work overtime (ha) and build.



Getting there is half the fun. Riding what you sweat and bled over is the other half.
 

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Bought my third TW last year here in Maine. 2001 1,400 miles, mint. $1500! Hope you find what you're looking for down there.
 
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