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Found this video on YouTube. This is not my video. If it were me, it would be slow and boring. If you haven't seen this before, here is an example of the Deathwing washout in action @ 28 seconds. The rider in this video looks like his skills are good. Seems to be from last year in South Africa at a nice enduro trail. He does a nice evaluation of the bike.


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Just another point of view. Just be careful with it.

I rode Moab 16 with my Death Wing all over the place without any problems except in the deep deep sand like on Bartlett Wash Road. I didn't ride in Hidden Canyon last year and did this year but I'm pretty sure I would not have liked riding Hidden Canyon with the DW because of how much sand there is.

In this video and part II, if you're so inclined to watch it, I rode in a fair amount of sand with the DW without issue. I did have a little issue in the deep sand going slow in the creekbed but truth be told I would have probably had similar trouble no matter what front tire I was using in these tight turn situations.

You'll see in the video the DW does quite well in the rock and sand. I'm not promoting the DW, and I do switch to a better tire when the DW wears out. Does it deserve the title of Deathwing? Possibly but I think a lot depends on many conditions (new rider/rider experience, not familiar with off-road riding, tire pressure, etc).It's probably is very import for a person to exercise a bit more caution with the DW than a better aftermarket tire. I do believe the DW is horrible in mud, wet grass, generally any wet condition or surface though, no excuses for performance in those conditions.

There are a lot of TW riders who keep it on (the DW) and do just fine. After I wear out my DW's I do put on different tires like an SR244 or SR241 as I did this winter. Because Mrs. Admiral's SR244 wore out, just a few weeks ago I swapped out her front tire and put my 241 on her TW and put a nearly new DW back on mine.

My TW (left of green bike) last year at Moab with the DW on 7 Mile Rim Trail. Like almost all of the trails in Moab, there is a lot of rock and a lot of sand.


Me on a pretty sandy trail at Moab 16 with the DW.
 

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Admiral - good points about the DW. Experience goes a long way. You could see how he caught it and his voice changed a bit to reflect his higher heart rate. When I started researching TWs, I thought the whole Deathwing monicker was kinda harsh. But it's good that anyone who does a little research is at least forewarned.

I didn't realize that was your YouTube channel. I've been watching your posts for over a year. Keep up the good videos. I hope I can get my bike to Moab sometime.

Mind me asking you what camera setup you used back then and what you use now?

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Admiral - good points about the DW. Experience goes a long way. You could see how he caught it and his voice changed a bit to reflect his higher heart rate. When I started researching TWs, I thought the whole Deathwing monicker was kinda harsh. But it's good that anyone who does a little research is at least forewarned.

I didn't realize that was your YouTube channel. I've been watching your posts for over a year. Keep up the good videos. I hope I can get my bike to Moab sometime.

Mind me asking you what camera setup you used back then and what you use now?

Cheers,

Peter

Yeah, there is no doubt the DW has caught riders off guard. Probably could be said of any tire though but even I pay more attention to the trail with the DW.

This year Don from Milwaukee rode with us. You can see him in the first several days of my videos. He wore a white 3/4 open face helmet. I don't know if he is a forum member signed up or not, nor any forum name but Don has/does watch the forum as he knew when the Moab Gathering was this year.



Camera setup. For the past few years, I've been using an ION AirPro Wifi something or another camera. Takes great video but the microphone is super ultra sensitive and picks up everything, including wind noise. I try to muffle it but the only real time's wind is a problem is when I'm riding fast or it's windy. On my full face, I have it mounted on the right side of the chin. This helps reduce some of the wind noise. Mounted on the side or top the wind noise is too much.

Last year I bought a "backup camera" after I had some recording issues with the ION (battery dead or disk full and I didn't know it). It's a SJ4000 which looks like a GoPro. I call it my "FakePro". It's an ok camera. Video is sharper but the color is off and I can't see to get it adjusted correctly. It's worse when riding in Red Rocks, then it has a redish/brownish tint. I like this one because it has a screen on the back so I can see if it's recording and aiming. I have set the ION aiming up thru trial and error (best guess).

Here is a picture with the location of both camera's.

FakePro with mount glued on front


With my ION




On my 3/4 helmet, I mount it under the visor, again, to help reduce wind noise.

 

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One thing that I have learned from years of riding is that riding position has a big impact on perceived tire traction problems. Sitting with weight back a bit will most definitely give the feeling of reduced traction at the front. A lot of riders tend to do that in sand.
When riding any type of rougher off-road terrain I generally stand, lean forward with my head over the front fender, and keep the elbows out - this allows for more aggressive use of the throttle without the tendency to get too light in the front. The front tire needs the pressure to keep the line while the back can dance around without affecting control of your direction. I'm relating this from riding other bikes however and not particularly the TW.
 

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Thanks for the info Admiral. Wind noise seems to be one of the biggest challenges for action cameras. Also - I saw a really bright colored Tdub in some of your YouTube videos. Is that your wife's?
 

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My daughter rides a Kawasaki KDX and has a horse - she would be in heaven there! Where is that?
East side of Lake Owyhee in Eastern Oregon. We stopped to look at the horses which were a ways off. As we watched they kept getting closer and closer ultimately right there. We don't think they were wild horses per se' but there ain't much for fences in these parts. It was pretty special. Glad they weren't bears though.:p
 

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Are those wild horses?
I don't think so these were in pretty good shape. The wild horses I've seen while in good shape too usually look a little more "unkept". Some wild horse will come up to a person if not spooked so it can happen.
 

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That is a truly outstanding photo of Mrs.Admiral and the mustangs. He can sure be proud of that picture.
100_2903.JPG Bet Admiral is already proud of his cute wife and his creation of Wilbur the Pink Taction Wagon.
 

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Yeah from the Admiral's videos, Mrs Admiral looks like she definitely knows how to ride that machine.
 
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