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In a recent thread there are some observations about Democracy versus Communism.
I always find those discussions interesting. At the simplistic level the USA has a population of about 600 million while China has triple that number.
So how is it possible to say that for organization purposes, one is superior to the other?
I am not suggesting one or the other is THE system, just that there are strengths and weaknesses in both systems.
How say you?
 

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Let me know where communism or socialism has been a success....and I'll give you an answer....and I agree with you rebelyell, we are quickly becoming a 3rd world sh*thole, just like those in Europe...but Hell, some folks seem to enjoy "Free Sh*t" and the government controlling their miserable lives from birth to death.

Sorry, you can have that crap, I'll take my freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of Religion, freedom to own a gun and protect my family, life, and property....Fu*k the Rest of that Sh*t...I want only one thing from the Gubberment...."Stay the Hell out of my life"
 

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Let me know where communism or socialism has been a success....and I'll give you an answer....and I agree with you rebelyell, we are quickly becoming a 3rd world sh*thole, just like those in Europe...but Hell, some folks seem to enjoy "Free Sh*t" and the government controlling their miserable lives from birth to death.

Sorry, you can have that crap, I'll take my freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of Religion, freedom to own a gun and protect my family, life, and property....Fu*k the Rest of that Sh*t...I want only one thing from the Gubberment...."Stay the Hell out of my life"
Eloquent as usual Hoot! You do have a way with words;)


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Right now we have a situation in nj where they want to shut down the pine barrens make it national wilderness,no more bikes jeeps etc.Who in there right mind would embrace this communist idealogy?Funny how no one said shit when they built all those houses on unstable sugar sand.I don't know how much longer this country has before utter stupidity allows someone to totally consume it and.boil it totally up in vapors.I'm tired of being told where I can n can't ride but it's ok to build a housing development or those sun panel farms an no one says.crap.I am 41 and people my age and younger have.an.fu I don't care bout you mentality which isnt.good at all for things.at least it seems alot of them have.no interest in stuff anymore and when things go bad we are gonna be handed.over by a whimper with.so many kids oblivious in folks house playing video games and not paying attention. To stuff in the world.
 

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The only reason one.pushes communism is because they are at the top of the heap and crave power n control and already have money and dacias and it don't effect them.class distinction my @$$!
 

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I agree with "show me a place where communism works", FOR THE PEOPLE, and I'll check it out, maybe even consider moving. Our "worlds greatest community organizer" recently visited Cuba, praised their free health care and education, while ignoring the arrests of political dissidents, while he was doing the wave at a ball game. I vacationed in Playa del Carmen last year, talked with some Canadians that had visited Cuba. "What's it like" I ask, "oh, kind of like Mexico, only cheaper, dirtier, and poorer," he says. Oh, yeah, OK then, I'll pass. Those folk's income is about $20 / month. You want internet access ? Sure, go to a cafe, only a couple dollars an hour... use all you want... a real worker's paradise. I'll stick with what I got going on here, thanks..

"I want to live in a country where even the poor people are fat, maids drive nice cars, ............"


What's So Great About America - Dinesh D'Souza - Page full
 

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Polarpilot, while THIS was not the "point" of your post.....you stopped me in my tracks when I saw that you posted that the population of the USA is about....600 million, and that China has triple that number.

Whew !

According to the US Census Bureau's population clock, the estimated 2015 United States population (July 2015) is over 321.3 million. This differs a bit from the 325.1 million estimated by the United Nations.

By population, the United States of America is the third largest country in the world, a long way behind China (1.4 billion) and India (1.28 billion).

I believe that ALL of us will be long dead...before the USA hits the 600 million population mark....since it is only 325 million now.

And in comparison, China has more than FOUR (4) times the population that the USA has.
600 Million must include those "undocumented" Aliens Mike..... or the Dead that vote in the Illinois Primary :eek:
 

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Much as I love this discussion...one of the Super Mods may want to consider moving it to the "Other" Section

Just saying....it works best down there in the gutter when many of us{especially me} like to hang out...;)
 

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What it really all comes down to is do you think you are capable of running your own life.

...or do you need help?


...from the Government?


...and if you really don't want their help, after you made the decision,

....you have no choice.
 

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Too bad this discussion was started in the general section and not in the OFF TOPIC section where it belongs! I have no problem with the discussion but will not participate in it until it gets dropped to OT.

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I agree with Hoot and Gary, this needs to be moved to off topic since it has nothing to do with motorcycles.....

As for the topic, really cant argue the points of either. I'm a pro freedom kind of guy so Communism is out and i'm not exactly satisfied with our system of government either the way its currently comprised.....
 

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You folks would make good politicians for everyone has followed the first tenant of public political speaking: Never answer the question asked.

Polarpilot posed the following questions: " So how is it possible to say that for organization purposes, one is superior to the other?....How say you?"
Well, I say looking at empirical evidence it is possible to say that communism "organizes" the people under its control in a much superior fashion compared to a democracy where concepts of free will and self-determination are recognized values that have to be suppressed for optimal "organization". Just look at the recent post of the Chinese motorcycle junkyard beneath the freeway; think we democratic americans would surrender our scooters so meekly? We bikers would be hard to keep " organized" by a democratic government but a draconian communist state could just take away our keys and send us to a "re-education camp".;)
 

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I'm tired of buying china's crap that ya use one time and it breaks wether it's a household floor mop,yard rake or otherwise w no choice.Told co worker I rather pay 40 bucks and have it for 20 years then 20 bucks use it 3 times and the bitch falls apart or snaps in half grrrr.
 

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Well communism is a socioeconomic ideology that isn't going to organize anything. The totalitarian governments that accompany most communist countries are much better than democratic governments at organization though because they often hold a single vision instead of a group of ideas from many people, and they have the ultimate power to enact those ideas.
 
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