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Rode my first electric bicycle the other day. Totally blew my mind! Ha. Crank the pedals a couple of times and off you go, must hang on. Such power and speed, it's hard to believe. That rhymes. Sue was tickled pink with the experience. It was very fun. It was so quite and fast. Price tag of $2,500. Ouch.

I was talking with the bike mechanic, competitive cyclist, and friend. He doesn't like the fact that it's so easy. Takes the work and exercise out of cycling. He does have a rational point. I agree the bicycle is for those that have a disability that prevents them from strenuous exercise. That disabled person can now ride a bike. It's got to be funny to see an old worn out semi disabled person kick butt on a athlete cyclist from a stop light! Ha. If you have been a cyclist in the past and given it up due to some handicaps you can now reconsider. Great expirence! Dirts a Flyen SanDue :rolleyes::D
 

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Hey, Dan. They are really fun! I've had a fold up electric for about 5 years. Think it was about $2000 back then. I use it to go to the local sports bar for the most part. On way back home I just put it in cruise control and it automatically rides me back home. I have taken it on a few 50 mile treks to breweries in the area. It was a fricken workout. was sooooo exhausted when I got home. Both times the battery pooped out a few miles from woodland and had to pedal heavy ass bike back (once was against a really strong wind). They range from about $600 on up. Can spend thousands on full suspension 2wd if your heart desires....I think a lot of people are using electrics for work commute. Don't need to sweat on way to work and beat traffic. on way home can get whatever workout your heart desires cuz who cares If your a sweaty mess when you get home....shower time! ...:D
 

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Haibike Full FatSix: Son of Yamaha TW200

Here's my Yamaha powered Haibike Full FatSix fat tired, dual suspension fat tired ebike. It's a Class 1, mid-drive ebike, Class 1 meaning that it is capable of 20 mph pedal assistance with no throttle; mid drive meaning the motor is placed down at the bottom bracket location, putting the weight down low for more balance. The tires are Schwalbe Jumbo Jims, 26 inches diameter, 4 inches wide, making this a "fat bike". Around home riding areas on the nearby canal towpaths, I'll run tire pressures at near 30 psi for ease of pedaling. In the New Jersey Pine Barrens, Wharton State Forest, I'll take the tire pressures down anywhere from 12 to 6 psi to float on the sugar sand roads with ease.

Though I've always wanted at TW200 (and that day will eventually come), this fat tired ebike can pretty much take me to most places a TW can go off road with the exception of fording water and puddles (for obvious reasons! :rolleyes:) and then some as the Delaware and Raritan Canal system as well as the nearby Delaware and Lehigh Canal system across the river in PA can provide nearly 200 miles of easy towpath riding.

Being pedal assist is not a free ride, in order for the motor to provide assistance, you have to pedal the bike. And Yamaha has given me several power options to choose, HIGH for full assistance and up to 43 miles of range on the 400wh battery, STANDARD assistance and up to 53 miles of battery assistance, ECO for near 85 miles and ECO+ for 105 miles of range. The last two power settings feel more like what the bike represents with no power assistance, a heavy, 52 pound bike. Last summer, using a combination of various power settings, I was able to pull off a 95 mile run on the canal towpaths, with some 18% power remaining in the battery at runs end!

Bosch is a major player in the Ebike motor field and Yamaha is a close competitor, coming out with more manufacturer's powered by the Yamaha drive system. The Yamaha is pretty much the most economical of all the drive systems, delivering higher mileages per battery charge. My Full FatSix is coming up on 5700 miles run on the bike since I started riding it early spring of 2017 and I've not had one single problem with the drive system.

I'm slowly setting my bike up for self sustained touring, using some high end German made, waterproof bags (panniers in bike-speak) made by Ortlieb, fitted on front and rear racks (still awaiting purchase of the rear rack). Then I can carry my camping gear with me as there are some nice NJ state run camps deep in the NJ Pine Barrens that can be reached by the FatSix!

Last month, I dumped my tire tubes for a tubeless set up. This is done by sealing the rim spokes inside the rim with flashing tape, then setting the tire bead onto the rim and filling the tire with tire sealant made especially for this setup. Small thorns then can be sealed via that sealant. But just in case, I picked up a neat tire plugging system made by DynaPlug.

The cost of this bike is prohibitive. Had I paid full price for this bike, I could have had a 2018 TW200 and about 600 bucks left over for racks and other goodies. But shop at the end of the summer season or in the dead of winter like I did and you can find closeout deals a heck of a lot cheaper. Before this bike, I had another fat tired bike, a Specialized Fatboy. Since getting Son of Yamaha TW200, I really can't seem to hop back on the Fatboy.... It's the most fun I've ever had riding a bicycle....ever. Below are some pictures of the Haibike Full FatSix...powered by Yamaha...

Hope this helps a little. I always lurked around this thread as this is the TW200 is the motorcycle to own. But what I especially like is how nice the folks seem to treat each other here. Kinda tells me that TW people are good people!

Mike

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Full FatSix at Quaker Bridge, Batsto River, Wharton State Forest, NJ Pine Barrens
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At Duck Island Generating Plant, a frozen Delaware River
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At Milford, NJ on the D&R Canal Towpath, mile 47 of my 95 mile run on the Full FatSix...
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Yamaha PW motor....36 volt, 400 watt hour battery, 250 watt motor with up to 80 nm of torque
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Display for the Haibike Full FatSix. It reads the time, odometer, motor power setting, pedal rpm, battery pct remaining, a battery graph of how much power is in the battery. I guess the only thing it will not do is read ambient air temperature.
 

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My X-treme X-cursion was only about $800 list and can be had for around $650.

It is a mountain bike and it folds. Its heavy and it has pedal-assist. But, the pedal-assist can be turned off. I like to pedal while I can but its sure nice to know i can twist the throttle for power when I need it.

I love my ebike but admittedly don’t ride it much since I bought my TDub!
 

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Great looking ride Mike Towpath Traveler! I owned an sweet A2B electric bike for 2 summers and although many e-bikes have a pedal assist only power supply mine did not need pedal assist for a boost just a twist the throttle to get some juice to the ground. The electric motor on mine was in the rear hub and as I recall it was a 400W (it may have been just a 300W?) but still went well but it just wasn't enough excitement for me to hang onto it. Although who knows down the road I still might revisit getting another one.
 

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Thanks, guys! Yamaha itself has gotten into the ebike game, this past spring. They will not be sold in motorcycle shops, rather local bicycle dealers. A lot of bicycle fans have been disappointed with the initial effort as there is no dual suspension mountain bike in the lineup, but I say give it time to see how it shakes out. Haibike still remains the only Yamaha powered dual suspension fatbike on the market, I believe.

Anyway, appreciate the kind words and greetings! :)

Mike
 

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I just got a trek full suspension. Wonderful machine, feel like a kid again. Another Great way for me to get in shape and explore. I ride with the battery off on the flats and get a little assist on the hills. Or do intervals, cranking up one hill with no assist, then have some help on the next. Would rather not have the expensive motor and battery, but good way to get into bicycycle shape and still be able to get back to camp!
Cant wait to get down to Arizona, to really put it thru its paces
 

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We have quite a few bicycle paths here along the old D&H canal tow path. All of them have clearly marked signs saying "NO MOTORIZED VEHICLES". This of course was to keep ATVs and dirt bikes off the paths. What about electric bicycles???
Another thing that comes to mind are with people who lost their driving privileges for DUI or DWI. I am sure that NY and numerous other states will be coming up with laws outlawing these machines and in the case of NY you can be sure the state will want them registered, insured and with plates plus force the riders to have the M for motorcycle designation on their drivers license.
I have a bit of a conundrum myself with a new type of machine. The Snowdog track machine came out last year and I bought one for ice fishing. ATVs and Snowmobiles are legal on frozen lakes here but must be registered, insured and have plates because they are considered motor vehicles and have VIN numbers. A Snowdog is just a B&S engine that drives a snowmobile track that you do not ride in or on, it tows you in a sled behind it and steering is with a handle bar but it has no skis or steering gear. They do not have VIN numbers because they are not considered Motor Vehicles. To date, no one knows how the state law enforcement will react to these new devices. Look at them kind of like a tracked snowblower without the blower in front. The DMV says with no VIN number it can't be registered as a vehicle so instead when I drag all my gear out on the ice I am driving in a very gray area just as I expect electric bicycles are right now. So far I have had no interactions with LEOs out on the ice but I do find it interesting with some of the comments I get. Some guys with Snowmobiles and ATVs who have to carry insurance and register their machines every year complain that the Snowdog is cheating and should fall under the same rules. Others who ride Snowmobiles on the open and groomed trails also complain the Snowdogs are not legal on their trails yet Snowdog's are often used for towing the trail grooming equipment every day.

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It seems like I saw an e bike getting a ticket at the State Park not that long ago. But it wasn’t a pedal assist. Sign said no motorized vehicles.
My issue is the safety of people who shouldn’t be going so fast with a lack of safety gear and or skill set. Here I see them on the sidewalks all the time.....kids at helm.
I also ponder the whole insurance thing. It always comes down to “who’s gonna pay” wether self inflicted or damage to someone else. Not serious I reckon but e bikes with assist will sure help to clog up trails otherwise only accessible to the mighty.
Overall, electric motorcycles are here, and they are becoming practical and desirable.
 

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Ya know, there is a lawyer who will file a claim for any porn star who got screwed! Personal responsibility went out the exit door in this PC BS world we are living in. My neighbor just paid a $50K settlement because he permitted 2 hunters to hunt his property and one shot the other. A thief just won his law suit because the homeowner shot his ass while he was robbing his house. My wife got rear ended by an uninsured immigrant and needed a titanium plate to fuse here neck all paid for by my insurance because I had enough insurance I paid for to cover the medical bills. Things are not going well folks but it seems no one is paying attention. Take a pill and a lawyer will fight because it didn't work right. Pretty soon Bacon will be outlawed because it causes heart attacks in those who eat it. California will soon be sued because the wild fires are causing cancers but it's OK to sit around a camp fire. Football players are suing for brain damage but mixed Marshall fighting and boxing are still OK for the time being. Why in the world can't we all just buy insurance for being STUPID!

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Why in the world can't we all just buy insurance for being STUPID!

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one probable can.....after all isn't that what insurance is.... if it was directly related to stupidity it would cost way to much.
 

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I got curious about electric bikes while staying at Sharks Cove on the Oahu Northshore a local couple had Pedego Ridge Runners which are mountain bike style with the fat balloon tires I was surprised to see how sturdy and well built they were

There’s a guy on YouTube with a mountain bike electric that can do 175mph he has videos out challenging cops muscle cars lambos and bad ass street bikes and he blows them all away it’s totally amazing

I had no idea Yamaha was in the game now I simply have to try one

Pedego Latch is a nice portable folding ebike belt drive very high end build quality and they also make the Stretch which is a heavy duty packhorse style delivery bike
 

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Gotta say just the image of wheel up made my body hurt. Ha Ha. But the most crashing Ive ever done has been on bicycles!
I say that as I get ready to head out an pedal my butt on the streets. Two wheels is a disease glad there are fellow sufferers out there.
Tonto
 

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I have an electric bike. Yes, it was an expensive purchase but it gets me off the couch and out riding. Have put 5,000 miles on it over the past few years. If I had a regular bike it would be sitting in the garage with flat tires and gathering dust. A couple of thousand dollars is considerably cheaper than a myocardial infarction.

And it is a whole lot of fun to ride!

www.pedegoelectricbikes.com

Amazing customer service and support.
 
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