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Many contemporary cultural aberrances can be explained by the basic principles of these concepts. Discuss.
 

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Chocolate or vanilla? Discuss.:p


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Definitely chocolate. After all, isn't vanilla just the absence of chocolate like cold is the absence of heat or dark just the absence of light or evil just the absence of God's love?

Or perhaps vanilla is just an unpainted canvas? A newborn full of opportunity that grows into something special or clings to the simpler things never straying far from it's roots?


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"Hunh?" would have been much less wordy and made the same point.
 
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"Hunh?" would have been much less wordy and made the same point.

Yes but "Hunh?" would insinuate lack of understanding. I understood just wanted to poke a little fun;)


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I believe modern human cultures grew out of matriarchal societies and that males surrendered some of their independence to a central authority ( chief, shaman,warlord, religion,government, etc) in order to wrest power from former female leadership. " Look, submit to my authority and I'll help you gain authority over your female(s)". This seems to be a reoccurring trend in the archeological record and is occasionally repeated today. The Islamic faith seems a good example of an entity demanding the males total surrender of will and self-expression in exchange for right to brutalize their females. Christian dogma refuting Mary Magdalene seems another. Male condemnation of feminized behavior patterns is thus nothing new.
Of course in our western societies females still wield residual power, after all who knows if you will get cuddling tonight? You or your wife/girlfriend?:rolleyes:
 

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I believe modern human cultures grew out of matriarchal societies and that males surrendered some of their independence to a central authority ( chief, shaman,warlord, religion,government, etc) in order to wrest power from former female leadership. " Look, submit to my authority and I'll help you gain authority over your female(s)". This seems to be a reoccurring trend in the archeological record and is occasionally repeated today. The Islamic faith seems a good example of an entity demanding the males total surrender of will and self-expression in exchange for right to brutalize their females. Christian dogma refuting Mary Magdalene seems another. Male condemnation of feminized behavior patterns is thus nothing new.
Of course in our western societies females still wield residual power, after all who knows if you will get cuddling tonight? You or your wife/girlfriend?:rolleyes:
I honestly NEVER knew the word residual was a direct replacement for vagina! Thank's Fred.


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If one lacks sufficient food or shelter, then aberrance is rare.
It is only common in cultures with excess that people pursue such.
Necessity is the mother of invention? Actually not. Excess is.
 

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Many contemporary cultural aberrances can be explained by the basic principles of these concepts. Discuss.
why do you consider them " cultural aberrances" if they start as genetic mutations, are they not to some degree normal or functional?
 

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why do you consider them " cultural aberrances" if they start as genetic mutations, are they not to some degree normal or functional?
I think he is saying something not very nice about our feminine brethren and not get warned again...

That they are socialists.
 

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I think he is saying something not very nice about our feminine brethren and not get warned again...

That they are socialists.
well... although I don't disagree with your assumption, qwerty is a bit of a trickster. He could just be trying to resolve his homophobia through intellectual engagement with the forum group.
 

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The depictions we have been fed regarding life back in caveman times might be skewed or inaccurate. I mean that concept of grab a woman by the hair, have your way and pass her on to the next May or May not be accurate. I'm kind of doubting it. The females back then did have fathers!
I tend to go more along the lines of the American Indian in tribal life. Woman were revered and respected although they did have their place within the tribe and were expected to handle certain duties. The men hunted and protected while the woman gathered and prepared the camp and most meals. Messing with another mans woman was a very poor idea as they were considered private property. The Sqaw had little say in the public setting but most likely ruled the teepee.

I must admit, I have a strong sense of agreement with tribal life. Every member had their assigned place and duties. The young, old and sick were well cared for but all others carried their load or else. I suspect there were girly men back then but most likely small in stature or frail in build and they were not expected to be warriors or hunters. They still had assigned duties and those who were complete slugs likely got razzed off their rears or lived a very hard life if they lived at all. I bet they even had bullies but dealt with them accordingly.

Some things have not changed all that much while socialism has forced a degree of tolerance down our throats. I don't expect my wife to do any wrenching on the cars or repair the leaking plumbing and she does not expect me to fold my clothes or do much laundry. It just happens that way in our home. If we had children you can be sure they would carry their load or hit the road as soon as they graduated from HS. Drop outs and slouches would not get a free ride here and that is exactly how we both were raised.

Funny thing that we see and don't quite understand not having children. We both grew up in families with brothers and sisters, mother and father. We both knew very well that as soon as we graduated and hit 18 that we wanted to spread our wings and fly the coop. Neither of our families had the means for continued college so if we wanted to go it was on us and we both did. What is it that is different today that kids are happy living with mom and dad in to their thirties in many cases. Life for us in our early teens was well defined. Get a part time job after school or on weekends and save up to buy an old car so when you graduated you had wheels. Our folks had a hard enough time affording their own cars and there would be no cars as graduation gifts for us. For as long as I can remember wheels were the guiding force in my life. Bicycles gave some freedom early and mini and dirty bikes opened another world but my first car was my ticket to fly from home and get on my own. I graduated on June 20th and me and a buddy moved in to our own crappy apartment on July 2nd. I worked all that summer and was signed up to join the US Navy in October. All of our brothers and sisters moved out of home almost immediately after finishing HS. Some of us hit bumpy roads a few times and had to go back home but just long enough to get our feet back under us.

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So, where does love come from? I am thinking that there always were and always will be idiots who brutalize women and there always were and are men who would honor and cherish women. Some societies codify being brutal, others codify respect. I don't get the other half. My wife is awesome, my mom is awesome and my little girls, let's just say if anyone laid a hand on them, I'm going to jail for what I'm about to do, and that feeling is completely natural to me. The moment I met that little bundle of untapped potential, I was completely smitten. That's not because I'm some wonderful guy, it just happened, completely outside of my own doing so to speak. So I just don't get it.

As for my children we expect them to be productive members of the family. Our culture suffers from kinder-fascism. We idolize youth and our children so much, and coddle them so much, that we are ruining them. So many people invest so much into their kids, with frankly nothing to show for it other than some loser living in their basement that they didn't have the courage to raise with rules and responsibilities. So as someone with quite a few kids i would totally agree with you GaryL, only difference is that I told mine that they can live in the house as long as they are involved in formal education, which they are going to have to pay for themselves.
 

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Agreed MSWRC. My parents never told us to get out and would have welcomed any of us to remain, free, as long as we were in school or college and even afterwards. We just all wanted our freedom because living in mom and dad's house meant living by their rules.

Love comes natural to those who were raised with it!

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why do you consider them " cultural aberrances" if they start as genetic mutations, are they not to some degree normal or functional?
Epigentic mutations. Not Genetic mutations. It seems you don't know the difference.

I think he is saying something not very nice about our feminine brethren and not get warned again...

That they are socialists.
Social, not socialists.

well... although I don't disagree with your assumption, qwerty is a bit of a trickster. He could just be trying to resolve his homophobia through intellectual engagement with the forum group.
Do you still screw little girls after you beat them?

So much for mirroring your logic fallacy right back at you. Qwerty isn't homophobic. Qwerty doesn't care. What others do isn't Qwerty's business.

well.... I'm just sayin ;0
No, you're not, you're just trying to make a scene.
 

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Epigentic mutations. Not Genetic mutations. It seems you don't know the difference.
Do you still screw little girls after you beat them?
So much for mirroring your logic fallacy right back at you. Qwerty isn't homophobic. Qwerty doesn't care. What others do isn't Qwerty's business.
No, you're not, you're just trying to make a scene.
you're such a bright guy qwerty, and you take things soooo seriously. It is easy to look up epigenetics, who coined the word and how it relates to mutations. explain to us lesser intellects where you want to go with the discussion.

I was just having fun with MSWRC at your expense.
 

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you're such a bright guy qwerty, and you take things soooo seriously. It is easy to look up epigenetics, who coined the word and how it relates to mutations. explain to us lesser intellects where you want to go with the discussion.

I was just having fun with MSWRC at your expense.
Hence my first reply. Chocolate or vanilla? Discuss.


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Never mind. I had dinner a couple days ago with 4 Piled Higher and Deepers and got an earful on this topic that for years the same educated idiots refused to acknowledge existed when I brought it up. They were also too proud to say "HUNH?" Now they act like it's the latest greatest mind game.
 
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