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I can't find regular gas without the 10% ethanol added... I read posts on this beloved forum where people are referencing non-ethanol gasoline... Can some of you still buy that? Is it at your standard run-of-the-mill gas station or do you have to go to a speed shop? I'm thinking its a regional thing maybe? I live near the city, but even when i go to central PA (fairly rural), i haven't see non-ethanol gas available.
 

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I know that here in AZ there's a chunk of the year where all of the gas has to be E10. I know that it's not ideal for the TW, but honestly I don't notice any difference. I guess I could fill up a 55 gallon drum with regular gas when it's in season and add fuel stabilizer to get me through the E10 months, but I just don't think it's worth the hassle to avoid the E10 gas which is good for something like 95% of the energy of regular gas anyway.
 

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N2o2diver... thanks for the link... very interesting. There is one station listed very close to me... I called and asked the attendant if their gas had ethanol added, and he said it does, but they do not have the 10% ethanol sticker on the pump. Almost all of the other stations listed in PA are out in the farmlands.



I have been using the ethanol fuel for more than a couple years in all my bikes and have not had a problem, but i don't know how much my mileage/performance could be suffering because I don't remember when they stopped selling regular gas.



My brother traded in his Triumph Speed Triple because he said the ethanol was "melting" the inside of his plastic gas tank.



Thanks for your reply DonBenito... My gear all seems to run fine on the E10, too, but there are complaints of this gas turning bad more quickly than regular gas.
 

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Biggest difference for me is it's $4.99 a gallon and lasts all year in my generator





E10 fuel can hold up to .5% moisture without a problem. It is only when the moisture level exceeds .5% that phase separation occurs. It starts absorbing water as soon as it hits the first of many storage tanks on the way to your local gas station.



In my ranger and wife's escape on E-0 I can drive 225 miles till I hit the red, with E-10 I'm lucky to make it to 160 miles before I hit the red on the fuel gauge.









For the post below...





DonBenito



Not everyone is lucky enough to live somewhere with a lot less rain then the rest of us. But you do get the heat come summer.



On average, there are 286 sunny days per year in Tucson, AZ



In my part of the US On average, there are 130 sunny days per year so right off the bat you get 150ish more chances to ride then me.



Sadly it's been 25 days since my last ride.



But thats the PacificNorthWet for ya.
 

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Thanks for your reply DonBenito... My gear all seems to run fine on the E10, too, but there are complaints of this gas turning bad more quickly than regular gas.


The TW tank holds less than 2 gallons. If you're not burning through 200 miles of gasoline before it goes bad then you aren't riding enough!



I'm not trying to be a jerk, but sometimes this business of E10 limiting a TW200 to 11.5 horsepower instead of 12 drives me up the wall.



The TW is a slow, torquey trail machine and that's all it's gonna be no matter what.



Dumping straight up rocket fuel in the gas tank isn't going to transform your TW into an R1, so my advice is run that E10 and be happy with the bike you have!



(or don't be and go and buy a bigger bike like I did! - The TW is great for the trails but pretty weak on the streets no matter what it's burning)



OK, I'm stepping down off of the soapbox now.
 

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I live in Central PA. Not many stations sell non ethanol based gas here. I think there is one station near Harrisburg. There is a web site posted on this forum that shows all stations that sell non ethanol gas. You could try to Google tw200forum/nonethanol gas stations.....I think!
 

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I'm in the GA mountains. Two stations in our small town have pure gasoline.

It's about 10 cents a gallon (3%) more, but our cars get 12% better mileage so it's actually cheaper.



We have a LOT of gas engines: truck, jeep, 3 bikes, 2 4-wheelers, 4 chainsaws, pressure washer, rototiller, generator. Keeping all those running with ethanol gas that goes bad in a couple months would be a nightmare.



If you look at the ingredient list on packaged food, it's all made with petrochemicals.

But our gas is made out of corn.

Our country has gone nuts.
 

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If you look at the ingredient list on packaged food, it's all made with petrochemicals.

But our gas is made out of corn.

Our country has gone nuts.

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Haha it sure seems that way!
 

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Hey, if you make it to the airport for some gas make sure and take a picture as I'm sure that will qualify for the photo tag section haha
 

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some stations in my area have it, for 'recreational vehicle' use. it's premium no ethanol, so its expensive, but i mix it with regular. mostly for my other small engines.
 

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I don't suppose it would do any good to mention that the ethanol industry is heavily subsidized by our government(taxpayers), and that it would not be able to sustain itself without these subsidies. I won't compare it's ability to produce energy to that of gasoline. If we could; or would make engines run on pure ethanol the industry could probably sustain itself. But then the price of cornflakes would skyrocket, and..........................
 

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I'd hate to complicate this ethanol nonethanol discussion but I do have access to nonethanol fuel and I use it even tho it costs 10 cents per gallon more. Why - not for added power - not because it will save my hoses or gaskets - but yes because I think it helps reduce rust in my tank. There something about the way ethanol mixes with water versus straight gas that may make it more likely to develop a rusty gas tank if you don't run it out often. Me - I want no rust in my tank so I fuel my tanks at slightly higher expense. I may be chasing an urban myth, but . . . Tom
 

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I haven't done any scientific studies, but a small ride i take with a short hill climb tells me that E0 premium (all we have here), gives me a bit more power, enough so that I've taken to using it exclusively.
 

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Non Ethanol gas available in Cle Elum Wa @ Storeys truck stop on the east end of town. was told it is Phillips 66 gasoline. price is in line with or better than other stations in town. They usually have the cheapest diesel in town also
 
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