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just wondering about this process, Im sure its different depending on where you are but Ive always heard for around $100 here in Oklahoma you could get a title for a bike that had a lost title, I have always been leary of this idea but I was wondering if anyone has tried it, I see motorcycles for sale on craigslist that I may be interested in if they had titles, for example I talked to a guy today that has a 95 TW with 2k miles for sale asking $500 of course he doesnt have a title which counts me out on the purchase, but if it was possible to afforadbly obtain a new title I may be able to rationalize such an idea...any thoughts? i think in the back of my mind im always affraid something is stolen
 

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Your state looks to be tough on vehichles without titles. Here is their answer to your question.

If Im not mistaken lost title must be your own, that is to say already in your name.



Now reading off that same site under the general "titles" page I did see where it said they now require atv's and the like to be titled and existing ones would be titled at the owners expense. In theory you could buy it, title it as a dirtbike, and then up it to street legal in later paperwork. I dont know if they would require a mso for that or not.



Either way more trouble than its worth in your case IMO. I just recieved my title in the mail a week or two ago from the exact same situation. Im in Alabama and used the Vermont title service. State of Alabama figured it out and gave me the run around for a while. But got it!
 

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Support your local drug addict motorcycle thief--the next motorcycle for sale without a title might be yours.



If titles were easy to get, bikes would not be sold without them.
 

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Support your local drug addict motorcycle thief--the next motorcycle for sale without a title might be yours.



If titles were easy to get, bikes would not be sold without them.


I have bought motorcycles without titles (pink slips) and then gone to DMV where they do their thing (one of which is to see if it is stolen) and I do mine and when it is over I walk out with the title.



For sure not as simple as that. Sometimes long waits in line, multiple visits, maybe even bring the bike to DMV for them to verify numbers but in the end it is titled in my name. It is really no big deal if you are willing to jump through some hoops.



Or for $435 go to http://www.getnewtitle.com/ and let them do the work. You are still into it for less than a grand if they get the title and if not you get your money back.
 

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I have bought motorcycles without titles (pink slips) and then gone to DMV where they do their thing (one of which is to see if it is stolen) and I do mine and when it is over I walk out with the title.



For sure not as simple as that. Sometimes long waits in line, multiple visits, maybe even bring the bike to DMV for them to verify numbers but in the end it is titled in my name. It is really no big deal if you are willing to jump through some hoops.



Or for $435 go to http://www.getnewtitle.com/ and let them do the work. You are still into it for less than a grand if they get the title and if not you get your money back.
Support your local drug addict motorcycle thief--the next motorcycle for sale without a title might be yours.



In many states it is illegal to sell a motorcycle, truck, car, or boat without a title. In some states, it is illegal to buy a motorcycle, truck, car, or boat without a title. It'd be tough to take an untitled bike in for inspection and get yourself cuffed for possessing stolen property.



From http://www.tn.gov/revenue/vehicle/titling/duptitle.shtml :



An Application for a Duplicate Certificate of Title may be filed through the Department of Revenue, Vehicle Services Section either in person or by mail. Office hours for this service are 8 a.m. - 4:30 p.m. When filing in person, you must furnish two forms of identification (Tenn. Code Ann. 55-2-107), one of which must be a photo identification such as a drivers license or valid passport. For more information on acceptable proofs of identification, click here. If someone other than the owner of the vehicle files, they must show proof of identification and have a notarized power of attorney from the owner.



The cost for a duplicate title is $5.50. Please make your check payable to the Tennessee Department of Revenue. Do not send cash. Please send the completed application form, $5.50 fee, and any discharge of lien (if applicable) to:



Tennessee Department of Revenue

Taxpayer and Vehicle Services Division

Vehicle Services Section

44 Vantage Way, Suite 160

Nashville, TN 37243-8050




By "owner", the state means the person to whom the vehicle is titled, not the seller. This process m ust be completed before the next step, from http://www.tn.gov/revenue/vehicle/titling/titlingtnresident.shtml :



To title and register your new vehicle, you will need to submit to your resident county clerk the following:

•Manufacturer's Statement of Origin,

•the new vehicle's invoice and

•a copy of your current registration if transferring your license plate



To title and register a used vehicle, submit to your resident county clerk the following:

•a valid certificate of title properly assigned along with an Odometer Disclosure Statement, if applicable

•a copy of the current registration if transferring your license plate



Please note: You will need to provide proof of identification and proof of residency when titling and registering your vehicle. You can find acceptable documents using the charts below (available in English and Spanish).

•Acceptable Proof of Identification Chart

•Pruebas Aceptables de Identificaciòn

•Acceptable Proof of Residency Chart

•Pruebas Aceptables de Residencia del Estado de Tennessee



Click here to find your county clerk's office.




If the person to whom the vehicle is titled isn't known or available, you might get a title in another state by committing perjury and then you'll need to



An application for Certificate of Title and Registration must be filed through the office of your local county clerk. If your county of residence requires emission testing, the vehicle will need to be tested for emissions first and then you will need go to your local county clerk's office and pay the required fees. Click here for locations and hours of operation of emissions testing facilities.



You will need to take with you the passed emissions certificate (if applicable), the most current out-of-state registration and the name and address of the lien holder to whom you are making payments. If you do not have a lien holder, you must furnish your out of state title.



Please note: You will need to provide proof of identification and proof of residency when titling and registering your vehicle. You can find acceptable documents using the charts below (available in English and Spanish).

•Acceptable Proof of Identification Chart

•Pruebas Aceptables de Identificación para Obtener Títulos y Registros

•Acceptable Proof of Residency Chart

•Pruebas Aceptables de Residencia del Estado de Tennessee




which really isn't such a problem if the title is in your name.



Of course, you might find a crooked dealer willing to



Note: Private individuals are not allowed to do this process.



What is an Abandoned/Immobile or Unattended Vehicle?



Abandoned, means (Tenn. Code Ann. Section 55-16-103(1)), a motor vehicle that:

A.Is over four years old and is left unattended on public property for more than ten days;

B.Is in obvious state of disrepair and is left unattended on public property for more than three days;

C.Has remained illegally on public property for a period of more than 48 hours;

D.Has remained on private property without consent of the owner or person in control of the property for more than 48 hours; or

E. Has been stored, parked or left in a garage, trailer park, or any type of storage or parking lot for more than 30 consecutive days.



Immobile, means (Tenn. Code Ann. 55-16-103(3)):

•Any motor vehicle, trailer, semi-trailer, or combination or part of a motor vehicle, trailer, or semi-trailer that is immobilized and incapable of moving under its own power due to an accident, mechanical breakdown, weather conditions or other emergency situation.



Unattended vehicle, means (Tenn. Code Ann. 56-16-103(7)):

•Any motor vehicle, trailer, sem-itrailer, or combination or part of a motor vehicle, trailer, or semi-trailer that is on public or private property, unattended by the owner or authorized driver, and interferes with or impedes the orderly flow of traffic, or a motor vehicle that is unattended by reason of the arrest of the driver of such motor vehicle.



Procedures for Abandoned/Immobile or Unattended Vehicles:

1.The requester must submit a Request For Verification Ownership On Vehicles Found Abandoned/Immobile Or Unattended form completed in its entirety within three business days after taking the vehicle into custody, including signature of the authorized representative making the request. (Tenn. Code Ann. Section 55-16-105)

2.This form may be mailed to the Department of Revenue, Vehicle Services Section, 44 Vantage Way, Suite 160, Nashville, TN 37243, with the appropriate fee of $1 per request, or it can be submitted in person (at the same address). (Tenn. Code Ann. Section 55-2-106)

3.Furnish written authorization for the towing of each vehicle from Law Enforcement with appropriate jurisdiction, or from the owner of the vehicle, (or the authorized agent of the owner) of the private property from which the vehicle is to be towed. (Tenn. Code Ann. 55-16-105)

4.Once the request is submitted, the Department of Revenue will process this form and return it to the requestor with the owner and/or lienholder information if available. (Tenn. Code Ann. Section 55-16-105)

5.The requester must send a notice to the vehicle owner within three business days after receiving verification of ownership, as well as any lienholders listed, and/or any other person who claims interest in this vehicle. If an out-of-state record exists, it will be provided. Then, an inquiry must be sent to that state for owner and/or lienholder information. Notices must be sent within 15 days of receiving possession of such vehicle. The notices must be sent by registered mail, return receipt requested or, if delivered in person, a notarized affidavit naming the person who delivered and specified time, place and manner of giving notice. (Tenn. Code Ann. Section 55-16-105)



6.The notice must include the complete description of the vehicle, an itemized statement of charges, and have a specified due date for payment to be received that is not less than ten days from the delivery of the notice. (Tenn. Code Ann. Section 55-16-105)

7.The requester may not charge more than 60 days for storage without the consent of the owner's and/or lienholders. Notification must be sent by registered mail, return receipt requested, of the intent to charge a storage fee for a period to exceed 60 days. (Tenn. Code Ann. Sections 55-23-103, 55-23-104)

8.In the event there is no response to the notices by registered mail and/or the amount owed is not paid by the specified time in the notice, the vehicle shall be advertised for sale at auction, at a specified time and place. The advertisement should be placed once in a newspaper of general circulation in the area where the vehicle was abandoned, immobile, or unattended. The sale shall not be held less than 15 days from the time of first publication. (Tenn. Code Ann. Section 55-16-105)

9.If there is no newspaper published in the place where the sale is to be held, the advertisement shall be posted at least ten days before the sale in not less than six conspicuous places in public areas in the area where the vehicle is to be sold. (Tenn Code Ann. Section 66-14-104)

10.If the vehicle has been stored, parked or left in a garage, trailer park, or any type of storage lot for more than 30 consecutive days the requester must submit in writing the make and vehicle identification number of such motor vehicle to the Department of Revenue on Part B of the Request For Verification Of Ownership On Vehicles Found Abandoned/Immobile Or Unattended form. Only Part B may be faxed to the Department of Revenue at (615) 253-4259. This must be received by the Department of Revenue before the vehicle is sold at auction. (Tenn. Code Ann. Section 55-16-106(a))

11.After the auction of the vehicle, the purchaser will make application through the county clerk to title and register the vehicle. The following documents are required: (Tenn. Code Ann. Sections 55-3-101, 55-4-101)

•Request For Verification Of Ownership On Vehicles Found Abandoned/Immobile Or Unattended from the requester processed by the Department of Revenue, Research Unit

•Certificate of Sales Under Special Conditions completed in it's entirety.

•Registered mail receipts to all parties involved

•A copy of the newspaper sale advertisement for the vehicle, or a notarized affidavit attesting to the six conspicuous postings of the sale information in a public place, along with a copy of the actual posted advertisement, if applicable

•Itemized statement of storage and/or towing fees owed

•Odometer statement, if applicable





Special Note: If any estimate or repair has been made, you must apply for a Garagekeeper's Lien. This would not fall under the Abandoned Vehicle Law.



References: Tenn. Code Ann Sections 55-2-106, 55-3-101, 55-4-101, 55-16-101-55-16-106, 55-23-103, 55-23-104 and 66-14-102, 66-19-103





for a fee, with the knowledge that if the vehicle comes back stolen you could face arrest for fraud, possessing stolen property, etc. Just a few hoops? Not worth the effort. In any case, you're still likely to be supporting the local crackhead thief.
 

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Support your local drug addict motorcycle thief--the next motorcycle for sale without a title might be yours.



In many states it is illegal to sell a motorcycle, truck, car, or boat without a title. In some states, it is illegal to buy a motorcycle, truck, car, or boat without a title. It'd be tough to take an untitled bike in for inspection and get yourself cuffed for possessing stolen property.



From http://www.tn.gov/re.../duptitle.shtml :



An Application for a Duplicate Certificate of Title may be filed through the Department of Revenue, Vehicle Services Section either in person or by mail. Office hours for this service are 8 a.m. - 4:30 p.m. When filing in person, you must furnish two forms of identification (Tenn. Code Ann. 55-2-107), one of which must be a photo identification such as a drivers license or valid passport. For more information on acceptable proofs of identification, click here. If someone other than the owner of the vehicle files, they must show proof of identification and have a notarized power of attorney from the owner.



The cost for a duplicate title is $5.50. Please make your check payable to the Tennessee Department of Revenue. Do not send cash. Please send the completed application form, $5.50 fee, and any discharge of lien (if applicable) to:



Tennessee Department of Revenue

Taxpayer and Vehicle Services Division

Vehicle Services Section

44 Vantage Way, Suite 160

Nashville, TN 37243-8050




By "owner", the state means the person to whom the vehicle is titled, not the seller. This process m ust be completed before the next step, from http://www.tn.gov/re...nresident.shtml :



To title and register your new vehicle, you will need to submit to your resident county clerk the following:

•Manufacturer's Statement of Origin,

•the new vehicle's invoice and

•a copy of your current registration if transferring your license plate



To title and register a used vehicle, submit to your resident county clerk the following:

•a valid certificate of title properly assigned along with an Odometer Disclosure Statement, if applicable

•a copy of the current registration if transferring your license plate



Please note: You will need to provide proof of identification and proof of residency when titling and registering your vehicle. You can find acceptable documents using the charts below (available in English and Spanish).

•Acceptable Proof of Identification Chart

•Pruebas Aceptables de Identificaciòn

•Acceptable Proof of Residency Chart

•Pruebas Aceptables de Residencia del Estado de Tennessee



Click here to find your county clerk's office.




If the person to whom the vehicle is titled isn't known or available, you might get a title in another state by committing perjury and then you'll need to



An application for Certificate of Title and Registration must be filed through the office of your local county clerk. If your county of residence requires emission testing, the vehicle will need to be tested for emissions first and then you will need go to your local county clerk's office and pay the required fees. Click here for locations and hours of operation of emissions testing facilities.



You will need to take with you the passed emissions certificate (if applicable), the most current out-of-state registration and the name and address of the lien holder to whom you are making payments. If you do not have a lien holder, you must furnish your out of state title.



Please note: You will need to provide proof of identification and proof of residency when titling and registering your vehicle. You can find acceptable documents using the charts below (available in English and Spanish).

•Acceptable Proof of Identification Chart

•Pruebas Aceptables de Identificación para Obtener Títulos y Registros

•Acceptable Proof of Residency Chart

•Pruebas Aceptables de Residencia del Estado de Tennessee




which really isn't such a problem if the title is in your name.



Of course, you might find a crooked dealer willing to



Note: Private individuals are not allowed to do this process.



What is an Abandoned/Immobile or Unattended Vehicle?



Abandoned, means (Tenn. Code Ann. Section 55-16-103(1)), a motor vehicle that:

A.Is over four years old and is left unattended on public property for more than ten days;

B.Is in obvious state of disrepair and is left unattended on public property for more than three days;

C.Has remained illegally on public property for a period of more than 48 hours;

D.Has remained on private property without consent of the owner or person in control of the property for more than 48 hours; or

E. Has been stored, parked or left in a garage, trailer park, or any type of storage or parking lot for more than 30 consecutive days.



Immobile, means (Tenn. Code Ann. 55-16-103(3)):

•Any motor vehicle, trailer, semi-trailer, or combination or part of a motor vehicle, trailer, or semi-trailer that is immobilized and incapable of moving under its own power due to an accident, mechanical breakdown, weather conditions or other emergency situation.



Unattended vehicle, means (Tenn. Code Ann. 56-16-103(7)):

•Any motor vehicle, trailer, sem-itrailer, or combination or part of a motor vehicle, trailer, or semi-trailer that is on public or private property, unattended by the owner or authorized driver, and interferes with or impedes the orderly flow of traffic, or a motor vehicle that is unattended by reason of the arrest of the driver of such motor vehicle.



Procedures for Abandoned/Immobile or Unattended Vehicles:

1.The requester must submit a Request For Verification Ownership On Vehicles Found Abandoned/Immobile Or Unattended form completed in its entirety within three business days after taking the vehicle into custody, including signature of the authorized representative making the request. (Tenn. Code Ann. Section 55-16-105)

2.This form may be mailed to the Department of Revenue, Vehicle Services Section, 44 Vantage Way, Suite 160, Nashville, TN 37243, with the appropriate fee of $1 per request, or it can be submitted in person (at the same address). (Tenn. Code Ann. Section 55-2-106)

3.Furnish written authorization for the towing of each vehicle from Law Enforcement with appropriate jurisdiction, or from the owner of the vehicle, (or the authorized agent of the owner) of the private property from which the vehicle is to be towed. (Tenn. Code Ann. 55-16-105)

4.Once the request is submitted, the Department of Revenue will process this form and return it to the requestor with the owner and/or lienholder information if available. (Tenn. Code Ann. Section 55-16-105)

5.The requester must send a notice to the vehicle owner within three business days after receiving verification of ownership, as well as any lienholders listed, and/or any other person who claims interest in this vehicle. If an out-of-state record exists, it will be provided. Then, an inquiry must be sent to that state for owner and/or lienholder information. Notices must be sent within 15 days of receiving possession of such vehicle. The notices must be sent by registered mail, return receipt requested or, if delivered in person, a notarized affidavit naming the person who delivered and specified time, place and manner of giving notice. (Tenn. Code Ann. Section 55-16-105)



6.The notice must include the complete description of the vehicle, an itemized statement of charges, and have a specified due date for payment to be received that is not less than ten days from the delivery of the notice. (Tenn. Code Ann. Section 55-16-105)

7.The requester may not charge more than 60 days for storage without the consent of the owner's and/or lienholders. Notification must be sent by registered mail, return receipt requested, of the intent to charge a storage fee for a period to exceed 60 days. (Tenn. Code Ann. Sections 55-23-103, 55-23-104)

8.In the event there is no response to the notices by registered mail and/or the amount owed is not paid by the specified time in the notice, the vehicle shall be advertised for sale at auction, at a specified time and place. The advertisement should be placed once in a newspaper of general circulation in the area where the vehicle was abandoned, immobile, or unattended. The sale shall not be held less than 15 days from the time of first publication. (Tenn. Code Ann. Section 55-16-105)

9.If there is no newspaper published in the place where the sale is to be held, the advertisement shall be posted at least ten days before the sale in not less than six conspicuous places in public areas in the area where the vehicle is to be sold. (Tenn Code Ann. Section 66-14-104)

10.If the vehicle has been stored, parked or left in a garage, trailer park, or any type of storage lot for more than 30 consecutive days the requester must submit in writing the make and vehicle identification number of such motor vehicle to the Department of Revenue on Part B of the Request For Verification Of Ownership On Vehicles Found Abandoned/Immobile Or Unattended form. Only Part B may be faxed to the Department of Revenue at (615) 253-4259. This must be received by the Department of Revenue before the vehicle is sold at auction. (Tenn. Code Ann. Section 55-16-106(a))

11.After the auction of the vehicle, the purchaser will make application through the county clerk to title and register the vehicle. The following documents are required: (Tenn. Code Ann. Sections 55-3-101, 55-4-101)

•Request For Verification Of Ownership On Vehicles Found Abandoned/Immobile Or Unattended from the requester processed by the Department of Revenue, Research Unit

•Certificate of Sales Under Special Conditions completed in it's entirety.

•Registered mail receipts to all parties involved

•A copy of the newspaper sale advertisement for the vehicle, or a notarized affidavit attesting to the six conspicuous postings of the sale information in a public place, along with a copy of the actual posted advertisement, if applicable

•Itemized statement of storage and/or towing fees owed

•Odometer statement, if applicable





Special Note: If any estimate or repair has been made, you must apply for a Garagekeeper's Lien. This would not fall under the Abandoned Vehicle Law.



References: Tenn. Code Ann Sections 55-2-106, 55-3-101, 55-4-101, 55-16-101-55-16-106, 55-23-103, 55-23-104 and 66-14-102, 66-19-103





for a fee, with the knowledge that if the vehicle comes back stolen you could face arrest for fraud, possessing stolen property, etc. Just a few hoops? Not worth the effort. In any case, you're still likely to be supporting the local crackhead thief.


Gee whiz! Take a chill pill and relax man. If it makes you happy, YOU WIN!
 

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Gee whiz! Take a chill pill and relax man. If it makes you happy, YOU WIN!
Typical Californicator wanting to cure his mental problem by having someone else do drugs.
 

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My wife did it for her '07 Honda metropolitan and according to her it was a royal pain in Texas.


That was my experience the first time through but once I "learned the ropes" it was much easier on subsequent vehicles.
 

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Yes I've dne several title 42s it takes about 6-8 weeks to get one. It is not for a lost title but rather a "Lein" title ie: a mechanics lein or storage lein for an aboned storage. I would try to find some one who does it proff. ,it can be done by your self you can get the forms from the Tax Commision but if all the "i"s are not doted and your "T"s crossed you have to start allover. some salvage/towing yards will do it for a fee($100 or so). If possiable try to get the orignal to file for a lost title much quicker/cheaper. Take the Vin or tag number to tag office and get print out on it. Jake
 

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I bought a bike once with a title that never was changed to the sellers name. Kinda the same thing I guess. I was making my cr250 street legal so I could ride to local trails around my town.



I made a web site a few years ago that explains how to make an MX bike street legal, not sure how things work in your state though.



https://sites.google.com/site/dualsporting/getting-legal



In Texas I was able to buy a title bond. It was $100 and took about 3-4 days to get everything done. Not easy but not terribly hard either.

Hopefully you ran the VIN first, otherwise you might be in trouble.
 

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Just adding my Two Cents and a bit of experience. In the middle of "fixing the title" in Alabama. Try this scenario: Original Owner is a Resident of State A goes to Dealer in State B. Since not a resident of State B, no sales tax is collected. Dealer conveys the back of the MSO to the Buyer leaving it to Buyer to do paperwork in State A. Buyer discovers State A wants sales tax to title / register the Bike and so "never gets around to it". Buyer putts around mostly using TW as dirt bike (108 miles in 2 years) finally pushing the bike into a corner of the garage leaving it to the dust bunnies.



Sound familar? Must be hundreds of street legal dirt bikes out there that never got registered / titled once the first owner decided the extra cost wasn't worth it.



Back to the story. OO then moves to State C. Then he sells it to STUPID 2nd Owner - no problems (can't be stolen, OO hands over all the paperwork from the original purchase PLUS the Original MSO)! But, if the Dealer did what he is supposed to do, convey the MSO to the OO, you will then find that NO STATE will allow a MSO to be used to transfer ownership (chain of ownership must include Titling in the OO's name). Original Buyer must Title the vehicle, then normal transfer processes can occur.



What now? Go back to the OO and ask him to title a bike he's already sold? How much interest will he have in fixing the problem? And, since he now lives in State C, isn't that where he'll have to title it? Since he can't document sales tax was ever paid on the original sale, so is STUPID 2nd Owner now stuck with paying the taxes on top of what he's already invested in the bike? What happens when the OO realizes State C just sent him clear title to YOUR bike and decides he wants it back or pawns the title? Let's sue folks across state lines over a really confusing transaction.



What a mess! Without a valid title, a TW is simply a fat-tired dirt bike. Next time, no title, no sale!
 

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Hey buddymc, are you talkin about the 09 or different year?



If you have MSO your not good to go? I thought with MSO you could apply for title in your name provided you had bill of sale with it.



If 09, you could do the abandoned vehicle thing. I tried getting in touch with OO on mine to no avail. The nice lady at my local dmv suggested abandoned vehicle, which is time consuming but provides a means to title. Had I not found another way I would have tried that.



Last resort- buy a frame w/ title.
 

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Pardoned my ignorance, but what does MSO mean? I googled it and there is a long list and I didn't see any I thought applied.
 

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Maybe someone in the ADV regional forums could give you an answer.



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Sorry about the caps, I did a cut and paste.



MSO stands for MANUFACTURES STATEMENT OF ORIGIN it means that the manufacturer STATES that they made it NEW and that it has NEVER been titled but TRANSFERED to an entity (dealer, other manufacturer to modify, or to a financial holding company) this does two main things it clearly states that the item is NEW and has NOT been titled before, but shows legal ownership! (it allows the sale or transfer without titleing).this type of transfer does not require any state or federal fee's as do titles.(the manufacturer would have to title it in their name then the dealer would and finally the purchaser would have to title it again(see the paper work and costs?)once an item is "titled" to an owner they have PURCHASED it to OWN! also some states do not REQUIRE titles on such things as trailers,and boats and some atv's they in turn just use the MSO to prove that the unit is new and allows for transfer showing LEGAL OWNERSHIP!





 

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Hey buddymc, are you talkin about the 09 or different year?



If you have MSO your not good to go? I thought with MSO you could apply for title in your name provided you had bill of sale with it.



If 09, you could do the abandoned vehicle thing. I tried getting in touch with OO on mine to no avail. The nice lady at my local dmv suggested abandoned vehicle, which is time consuming but provides a means to title. Had I not found another way I would have tried that.



Last resort- buy a frame w/ title.


Yeah, my 09. But good news is that TODAY I completed the Abandoned Vehicle process and the 09 is now titled and tagged in my name.



Learning point is that once the MSO is "conveyed" to an Individual by the Dealer, the named Individual cannot again use the MSO to convey ownership to yet another person. MSO must be converted into a Title in the Original Owners name. My mistake was accepting the Original conveyed MSO and a BOS from the OO and thinking the two items were "good enough". After all, I also had everything the OO got from the Dealer when he bought it new! Thankfully that paperwork was sufficient to get a Temp Tag, and I was able to ride for a while, but those only are valid for 60 days max. The Abandoned Vehicle thing takes longer than 60 days! Did my share of sneaking around without a title and tag.



So today is Christmas all over again for me! I'm all legal and insured and everything! And I promise I will not repeat the mistake. Would still have bought the bike, but the OO would not have gotten paid, at least not all of it, until I had a wide-open path to a clear title!
 

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Yeah, my 09. But good news is that TODAY I completed the Abandoned Vehicle process and the 09 is now titled and tagged in my name.



Learning point is that once the MSO is "conveyed" to an Individual by the Dealer, the named Individual cannot again use the MSO to convey ownership to yet another person. MSO must be converted into a Title in the Original Owners name. My mistake was accepting the Original conveyed MSO and a BOS from the OO and thinking the two items were "good enough". After all, I also had everything the OO got from the Dealer when he bought it new! Thankfully that paperwork was sufficient to get a Temp Tag, and I was able to ride for a while, but those only are valid for 60 days max. The Abandoned Vehicle thing takes longer than 60 days! Did my share of sneaking around without a title and tag.



So today is Christmas all over again for me! I'm all legal and insured and everything! And I promise I will not repeat the mistake. Would still have bought the bike, but the OO would not have gotten paid, at least not all of it, until I had a wide-open path to a clear title!


I'm in the same situation on a quad I just bought... I thought the MSO (with the original dealer, original owner, another dealer and the last owner all signing over, plus the BOS, should get me through the red tape.



In Indiana, it is required to title all off-road vehicles, after like 2003. This quad is an '06, so I was just trying to follow the law. It is also required to register the ORV with the DNR. I did this first with the BOS, and that assured me it was not on a 'hot-list'. Then to the BMV for the title work. After an hour or so, and 3 kind and patient ladies trying to figure out what to do, the only solution they could come up with, short of tracking down the original owner, was to take the BMV to small-claims court. Yea, sue the BMV! (and they told me to do it.)



So, what am I to do? continue life as a criminal (with no title), or try to follow the law by suing the government? I figure I'll worry about it if I ever need to sell it. My time is worth too much. I figure it's no more illegal than speeding, or making a U-turn
I'm legal for the DNR, and that's what matters for county roads and State trails.
 

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I'm in the same situation on a quad I just bought... I thought the MSO (with the original dealer, original owner, another dealer and the last owner all signing over, plus the BOS, should get me through the red tape.



In Indiana, it is required to title all off-road vehicles, after like 2003. This quad is an '06, so I was just trying to follow the law. It is also required to register the ORV with the DNR. I did this first with the BOS, and that assured me it was not on a 'hot-list'. Then to the BMV for the title work. After an hour or so, and 3 kind and patient ladies trying to figure out what to do, the only solution they could come up with, short of tracking down the original owner, was to take the BMV to small-claims court. Yea, sue the BMV! (and they told me to do it.)



So, what am I to do? continue life as a criminal (with no title), or try to follow the law by suing the government? I figure I'll worry about it if I ever need to sell it. My time is worth too much. I figure it's no more illegal than speeding, or making a U-turn
I'm legal for the DNR, and that's what matters for county roads and State trails.




I found an Alabama company that "specializes in fixing title problems" and they handled the matter for me. Maybe there is a similar company in Indiana? Under most DMV regulations, often a "non-compliant" (flawed paperwork) applicant can post a Bond to secure the correct paperwork. In Alabama, it was (1) more expensive than the Specialty Title Company's charge and (2) would prohibit me from selling the motorcycle for at least two years. I was told that last rule is to keep "hinky folks" from using the Bond method to quickly get a transferable title and then reselling it to an unsuspecting buyer. Either of those options may be available in Indiana.



Normally, the Local 3 Kind Patient Ladies won't / can't tell you about those loopholes / workarounds, either because they don't know about them, or more likely, have been told not to share such tricks with the public. In my experience, the Local 3 Kind Patient Ladies are simply assigned / instructed to verify that the presented paperwork is adequate to satisfy their "normal standards" by demonstrating the Chain of Ownership from Previous Legal Owner to YOU.



I'm guessing since the Original Buyer never formally documented ownership with the State by exchanging the MSO for an Indiana Title, pretty much the rest of the paperwork is being considered "highly suspicious".
 
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