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Today I was tinkering with the T-dub and got her running pretty good. The bike has been in storage for over a decade. I was a little excited to ride her. Now, it was about 5 in the evening with plenty of daylight left so I thought I would make the most of it. I started the bike and got it idling super nice and decided to take a very very short jaunt down the road to see how the bike is tracking. I ride maybe a total of about 3/4 mile up my residential street and I start my return home then I get pulled over by a motorcycle policeman. Now, the thing is, this bike is a little more than beat up. It has no working turn signals, no plate, no registration, no mirrors, etc. I figure I am screwed. So, I did what I always do if I get pulled over. Which is very seldom by the way. I gave him my military ID instead of my license. This always seems to schmooze them over a little. Now I must say I have the utmost respect for law enforcement and I stood ready to take my lumps. I explain to Officer Friendly that I literally just got the bike running and took it for a little test ride. I am just yards from my home. He then asks me what type of bike it is and a few more questions and tells me to get it off the road until it is legal. With that, I am very satisfied that I am escaping certain financial doom. My complaint is that other than a few minor parts and documents, this bike is road worthy. I am dissatisfied with my neighbors who complained of my riding. I wasn't gunning the throttle making tons of noise at an obscene hour. I wasn't riding fast or careless either. In fact, I had a helmet and other protective equipment on as well. My question is this. Do many of you other riders get pulled over and hassled as well?
 

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I think you may be a little paranoid--your neighbors don't really hate you, do they?



You're unlucky enough to have pulled a u-turn were a motocop could see you. A u-turn before you get to any cop is pretty much just cause to be pulled over. You're lucky he let you go. Could have been no tag, no registration, no insurance, no inspection, no license, no endorsement, and equipment violations. Be thankful--he could have really ruined your day.



I've been pulled over here 3 times in 6 weeks by the same cop, and did nothing wrong. first time was for leaning in a corner (duh), second was weaving side to side in my line (following large SUV and cars at stop on crossroad on both sides and using lane position change to be seen by both), and riding when it was 11* and snowing
. I told him to write the ticket all three times and he'd better be prepared to describe to the judge exactly what I was doing illegal, because I'd be there with the state's motorcycle book to show in the book exactly what I was doing each time. I don't think he was trying to be a prick--it just came natural to him. I also think he was just plain ignorant about motorcycles.



I got pulled over in Fort Worth for riding Tdub 120mph on the interstate.
Another cop who just didn't know, but he turned out to be a super nice guy and eventually bought himself a TW for his first motorcycle. I actually ended up taking the Experienced Rider Course and met him in the Ozarks for a little fun in the dirt.
 

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Today I was tinkering with the T-dub and got her running pretty good. The bike has been in storage for over a decade. I was a little excited to ride her. Now, it was about 5 in the evening with plenty of daylight left so I thought I would make the most of it. I started the bike and got it idling super nice and decided to take a very very short jaunt down the road to see how the bike is tracking. I ride maybe a total of about 3/4 mile up my residential street and I start my return home then I get pulled over by a motorcycle policeman. Now, the thing is, this bike is a little more than beat up. It has no working turn signals, no plate, no registration, no mirrors, etc. I figure I am screwed. So, I did what I always do if I get pulled over. Which is very seldom by the way. I gave him my military ID instead of my license. This always seems to schmooze them over a little. Now I must say I have the utmost respect for law enforcement and I stood ready to take my lumps. I explain to Officer Friendly that I literally just got the bike running and took it for a little test ride. I am just yards from my home. He then asks me what type of bike it is and a few more questions and tells me to get it off the road until it is legal. With that, I am very satisfied that I am escaping certain financial doom. My complaint is that other than a few minor parts and documents, this bike is road worthy. I am dissatisfied with my neighbors who complained of my riding. I wasn't gunning the throttle making tons of noise at an obscene hour. I wasn't riding fast or careless either. In fact, I had a helmet and other protective equipment on as well. My question is this. Do many of you other riders get pulled over and hassled as well?
Your more than Lucky. If your command got word of you riding like that you never know how they will react depending on their moods. They might say ok don't let it happen again. The other hand is straight say no more riding for you period. Its bad enough the military requires you to wear a crap load of gear all the time on duty or not and take their riders class even though your already licensed.
 

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My whole issue is not that I was completely wrong. My issue is that if I was street legal with a plate and signals, the officer would have had no reason to pull me over. I am upset with my neighbors who complained. I bet it was the neighbor who's dogs bark all night, or the one in a rock band who practices with the volume on 11 all the time. My point is the officer is just doing his job, but he wouldn't have been there if someone didn't call him in.
 

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Tommy,

I do the same thing with my military ID
works most of the time but never in Kentucky, the state troopers are hard asses..lol



Qwerty,



Wow 120mph??? you have the speed record for a Tdub... I would have loved to see that one in court
 

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Today I was tinkering with the T-dub and got her running pretty good. The bike has been in storage for over a decade. I was a little excited to ride her. Now, it was about 5 in the evening with plenty of daylight left so I thought I would make the most of it. I started the bike and got it idling super nice and decided to take a very very short jaunt down the road to see how the bike is tracking. I ride maybe a total of about 3/4 mile up my residential street and I start my return home then I get pulled over by a motorcycle policeman. Now, the thing is, this bike is a little more than beat up. It has no working turn signals, no plate, no registration, no mirrors, etc. I figure I am screwed. So, I did what I always do if I get pulled over. Which is very seldom by the way. I gave him my military ID instead of my license. This always seems to schmooze them over a little. Now I must say I have the utmost respect for law enforcement and I stood ready to take my lumps. I explain to Officer Friendly that I literally just got the bike running and took it for a little test ride. I am just yards from my home. He then asks me what type of bike it is and a few more questions and tells me to get it off the road until it is legal. With that, I am very satisfied that I am escaping certain financial doom. My complaint is that other than a few minor parts and documents, this bike is road worthy. I am dissatisfied with my neighbors who complained of my riding. I wasn't gunning the throttle making tons of noise at an obscene hour. I wasn't riding fast or careless either. In fact, I had a helmet and other protective equipment on as well. My question is this. Do many of you other riders get pulled over and hassled as well?


You hand them your Mili. ID(utmost respect huh!...schmooze them over...minor parts and documents.....being hassled).......you we'e WRONG from the get-go military person!!!.You sound like one of those folks that goes around talkin smack and then when they get caught,you screem help!,cry foul! etc. .Yea, the military really straightened you out...god help us.
 

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My whole issue is not that I was completely wrong. My issue is that if I was street legal with a plate and signals, the officer would have had no reason to pull me over. I am upset with my neighbors who complained. I bet it was the neighbor who's dogs bark all night, or the one in a rock band who practices with the volume on 11 all the time. My point is the officer is just doing his job, but he wouldn't have been there if someone didn't call him in.


Sounds like you are getting worked up over an issue you already claimed as your own fault. Don't let it bother you that much. Just move on.



How do you even know the neighbors called? Did the cop tell you that? Could it may have been just a coincidence that the cop was there? Has there NEVER been a random cop that has come down your street from time to time?



The TW doesn't look like it belongs on the street. It's a freak of a bike that screams "dirt bike" not "manufactured street legal onroad/offroad". Your neighbors probably focused on its looks not matching the place it was being driven, if they even called. So what. Be glad you have neighbors that pay enough attention to call that in. If you have issues with your neighbors' dogs, loud music, etc. then CALL THEM IN. You can't complain if you've never taken action. Even if it's just a friendly stop over to let them know their music gets loud at times or their dog is keeping you up.



You're worked up over nothing. You're not getting much sympathy on here. Just drop it and get working on that bike!
Remember, the sooner you are legal the sooner you can ride and then they can call all they want and you can have the last laugh.



Like you said, "My issue is that if I was street legal with a plate and signals, the officer would have had no reason to pull me over." SO GO GET THE PROPER EQUIPMENT TO MAKE IT LEGAL AND RIDE!!!
 

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Tommy,

I do the same thing with my military ID
works most of the time but never in Kentucky, the state troopers are hard asses..lol



Qwerty,



Wow 120mph??? you have the speed record for a Tdub... I would have loved to see that one in court
KY LEOs suck I have to deal with their KDOT on a regular basis. One pulled me over in a wrecker and wrote a bunch of invalid tickets. Beat them all in court. A few weeks later a club called for a recovery of a vehicle that had slipped off the road during an ice storm. I left the DOT guy's wife and kid in the ditch--she was on the KY side of State Line Road. I couldn't legally help her. Had she of been anyone else, I would have. It's a small world, anmd what goes around, comes around.



As for the speeding, Tdub and I were tooling down the interstate and a herd of stuntas passed, then pulled off a couple exits up the road. As we topped the bridge at that exit, the stuntas all ran the light below and passed us again just after we passed the on ramp, an LEO hot on their tail. I pulled over to emergency lane let the LEO by and he pulled in behind me. When he told me he was going to give me a ticket for 120mph on the ramp, I about died laughing. I told him I'd be honored to have earned such a performance award on a TW as I'd be world famous once it hit the internet.
I've already told the rest of the story.



I'm kind of agreeing the the frog and pgilles, the OP needs a bit of reality check. Expecting special treatment due to being in the military? Why, that's just scummy, and a disgrace to the services. You'd be all asunder if a cop, judge, firefighter, or politician pulled that crap and got away with something.
 

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I think I didn't communicate my intentions in my previous posts. I have no problem accepting that I was wrong and deserved whatever consequences that were due to me. I am a very law-abiding citizen and the only reason I gave the officer my military ID is so that I may possibly receive some professional courtesy.I did not expect any special treatment. The point was to identify with the officer with some mutual respect. I have no issues with the officer. I am a very friendly and courteous neighbor. I have gone to those troublesome neighbors and confronted them with the issues that I have with them in a very direct and polite manner. I also have an understanding that each person's home is their castle and treat them with respect and dignity that they may enjoy the freedoms in which I fought and continue to fight for. I am of the opinion that I was given so much leniency because I am a good citizen and I did not give the officer any hardship but was willing to accept responsibility for my actions. We also had a great conversation regarding both of our passions for riding motorcycles. I also have taken the steps necessary to make the bike legal. It has not been and will not be on the road until these steps have been reached. It was very out of character for a motorcycle policeman to be so deep in my residential neighborhood. The officer did admit the only reason he was there was because of a complaint. I might also add that I went to my neighbors who may have been offended and apologized for any way I might have offended them. That is what I believe good neighbors do.

My whole point of posting was to pose the question, does anyone(who is street legal) get pulled over frequently because of the suspicion that the bike is not street legal, or for other reasons, possibly?
 

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ive been pulled over almost once a week since i got my bike. apparently there is a bandit that rides a 1987 tw200 as well and he wears a black jacket and blue helmet like me. guy always runs and hasn't been caught yet(no plates). i tell people this and they say im being harrassed but i dont mind i just hope they catch the idiot one day.
 

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Long, boring and irritating reply here, so if you don't want to get cheesed off go no further.



First time poster, long time site stalker.

For whatever reason, this post prompted me to post for the first time. I can offer some insight and a first hand view of what some police think when someone immediately pulls out the military ID. To start with; I am active duty U.S military stationed in Haiti since 2007, (there are less than a dozen of us here full time)and at my last unit, I was ALSO a civilian Police Officer in my off duty hours, (as long as I didn't take pay or conflict with my normal military duty, volunteer community service was highly encouraged). Most guys who did this chose to be volunteer Firemen and a few of us were Police Officers.



Anyway; One night while on patrol with the PD, my full time, non military background partner and I pulled over a guy travelling through the town at a higher than posted speed, (had to be at least 10mph over posted or we usually didn't bother unless in a school zone, (or there were additional reasons; this IS NOT A HARD AND FAST RULE, please don't bother with the "they can't ticket you for anything X over the posted limit because it'll be thrown out in court"....NEWS FLASH; YES they can, and the Officer's word is USUALLY the one the Judge will listen to because the Officer represents the public good,,,,yeah, yeah, I've already heard all the "my cousin/brother/father/sister/all the above was doing 300mph in school zone and the cops were so stupid the judge didn't believe them....those things do happen, but it's not the norm), anyway, the guy immediately flashes his Mil ID and my partner politely tells him "thanks, but I need your lic, proof of insurance, registration".



No big deal; gives the guy a verbal warning, "please slow down", sends the guy on his way after everything comes back clean. After we get back in our Patrol car, my partner, (and best friend), tells me "you know most cops don't like it when a guy whips out a military ID first, as if we should be so impressed we'll immediately let them go".



I was a little surprised but explained that there really were some fairly understandable reasons why a military member does that, (I've actually had to tell several Officers in the PD the same reasoning):

1. Some guys, (like me 30+ years active duty), were originally taught, (whether right or wrong), years ago, that you should present your mil ID when dealing with local LE. What the original reason we were given has long ago escaped me, but probably WAS some feeling that there should or might be some professional courtesy rendered, PLUS, back when some of us joined, not all our states provided a picture on the drivers Lic, (I was from Maine originally and the Lic was without picture, so the military ID was our universally recognized form of picture ID).

2. Military guys often spent a lot of their time on military bases where if pulled over by Military LE, you were REQUIRED to present your Mil ID too with the other proofs, so it became second nature, (like it did for me when I was 19 and owned a Kawasaki H2 750cc TWO STROKE. At that age and with a bike like that, you're gonna do things you'll barely regret later).



As time wore on and I patrolled with different partners, I learned that even the ex-military guys had strong opinions about the military ID.

It varies officer to officer but they ALL seem to believe a person is doing it to try to impress the officer into a basic mind set of "OK this guy's a law abiding cool guy who's not some scroat-bag and we have things in common). Here's the rub; it may be OK with that cop or it may irritate him/her. Some people who are cops who were never military have a chip on their shoulders about military guys and some don't; some guys who WERE previously military will understand and some will take exception to it. Don't try to reason it in your heads too much because it really does vary person to person. It's like being married to my wife; which witch will she be today?? The good witch or the evil demon; (which might help explain why I've stayed in Haiti where Voodoo is a way of life and evil is available anywhere........but then again so is good).



Not trying to excuse your neighbors, but who ever called the cops might NOT be the hypocrite with the barking dogs, loud music etc, but one of the more law abiding who just saw the guy on the unregistered TW as the last straw; (everyone KNOWS that the first sign of the Apocalypse is a dark rider on a TW; read the Bible for God's sake you heathens....)



Then again, it MIGHT have been the neighbor who's just a [email protected] They are out there....I have met some....some wear police uniforms, some wear military uniforms, and some wear tin foil hats so the government can't monitor their thoughts(everyone knows these people are insane...tinfoil won't work at all, you need the lead liner or be like one of the crazy guys here who used to crawl out of the sewer in the morning wearing a helmet made of feces. We called him "shit helmet" and I never figured out whether he was just plain crazy or he wore it to keep people who he thought might harm him away. One morning he just lay down and died on the sidewalk by the outside wall of the Embassy; sad. I kind of miss seeing the poor guy.



Non topic related: I am a 2007 TW owner here in Haiti, (and as a nod to the TW/Harley thread; 1986 Sportster owner stateside). I've been here, (in Haiti) a couple of years and was at the epicenter of the massive earthquake that killed so many people. My 2007 TW was my ONLY means of transportation during that period because the streets were mostly filled with destroyed buildings and dead or dying people (I'm in Port-au-Prince)and my armored vehicle was stranded on the far side of a bridge/pier that collapsed for a few months. As far as I know, there are only 2 TW's here, mine and a guy that works at the U.S Consulate. Anyway, I say all that because you can all appreciate that this bike was a lifesaver (not just my life either), and see where I'm coming from with my response to this email. Sorry to have made this so long and boring; anyone please feel free to flame me if it makes you feel better. I may suffer but I'll survive.
 

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anyone please feel free to flame me if it makes you feel better. I may suffer but I'll survive.


No flaming here, well not much.



That seems a perfectly reasonable response from someone in the job.



Keep up the good work in Haiti, it must be tough. And welcome to the forum.
 

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+1 For what Gman said.



I have a good friend who was a high-ranking Sheriff (he's retired now). Over dinner one night I asked him what the best excuse anyone had used to get out of a ticket was. He looked at me like I'd just asked him what the circumference of the moon is then said flatly that if he saw a violation which was bad enough to get someone pulled-over, they were getting a ticket. Didn't matter if they slipped another cop's business card in with their documents (a common practice around here) or they knew someone whatever, didn't matter. We're pretty good friends but I'm glad I never got pulled-over by him when he was on-duty, I'm assuming I would have gotten a ticket.



As far as the neighbors go, start making friends. Wave when you see them, talk to them if you both happen to be outside at the same time, make your place look as nice as theirs. In my neighborhood I'm "that guy" who has all the cars however my house is clean, all the cars (four in the driveway, one partially-built in the garage, others which only stay for a day or so) are clean, legal and run. My house looks good (I have a Gardner) and I'm on a first-name basis with most of the people within sight of my house. If any of the neighbors need something they know they can call on me. Case-in-point the guy across the street from me ("Tree Guy" for those who know me and have been to my house) made it pretty clear that he didn't like the fact that my wife and I were moving-in across the street. I went-over, had a nice conversation with him, told him if he didn't like something we did to talk to me first, if he still wasn't happy then to call the city. After that I helped him do a little work on his house, a few months later he and a few other neighbors come-over for a BBQ and now he's offering to help with the VW I'm re-building in my garage. YMMV



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I think I didn't communicate my intentions in my previous posts. I have no problem accepting that I was wrong and deserved whatever consequences that were due to me. I am a very law-abiding citizen and the only reason I gave the officer my military ID is so that I may possibly receive some professional courtesy.I did not expect any special treatment.
Please explain in what twisted manner "professional courtesy" differs from "special treatment". A frog is still a frog even when it's called "toad".



The point was to identify with the officer with some mutual respect. I have no issues with the officer. I am a very friendly and courteous neighbor. I have gone to those troublesome neighbors and confronted them with the issues that I have with them in a very direct and polite manner. I also have an understanding that each person's home is their castle and treat them with respect and dignity that they may enjoy the freedoms in which I fought and continue to fight for. I am of the opinion that I was given so much leniency because I am a good citizen and I did not give the officer any hardship but was willing to accept responsibility for my actions. We also had a great conversation regarding both of our passions for riding motorcycles. I also have taken the steps necessary to make the bike legal. It has not been and will not be on the road until these steps have been reached.
Well, please explain how you were pulled over on an unlicensed vehicle being ridden on the street when said vehicle had not been on the road.

It was very out of character for a motorcycle policeman to be so deep in my residential neighborhood. The officer did admit the only reason he was there was because of a complaint.
Wow, must have been a long duration non-ride not on the road, if someone had time to make the call, the call was dispatched, the motocop got up from the donut shop table, strode out to his bike, put on his helmet, rode over, and caught you. I'm guessing here, but the evidence suggests someone wasn't flogging his TW up and down the street multiple times, since the bike was never on the road. Seems there's a reasonable doubt that the whole truth has been shared.

I might also add that I went to my neighbors who may have been offended and apologized for any way I might have offended them. That is what I believe good neighbors do.
You shoulda rented a Penske truck and done donuts in their yards, and shot their dogs. Even tossing poop in a paper sack smeared with Sterno, setting it afire on their front porch, and ringing the doorbell would have been as effective a response. How dare they interfere with your right to not ride an unlicensed vehicle on a public road! Whym you pay as much taxes as they do! You have every right not to ride on any road you want!

My whole point of posting was to pose the question, does anyone(who is street legal) get pulled over frequently because of the suspicion that the bike is not street legal, or for other reasons, possibly?
Ideals aside, if a LEO wants to pull you over, (s)he will, and then make up some "reasonable cause". Your first recourse is to request a court listen to your argument that the LEO had no reasonable cause, and since most judges remember through their memories of the drunken haze of their undergrad years a philosophy class that maintained that supposedly a negative can't be proven, you lose. Don't want to be pulled over, don't partake of the previlege of operating a motor vehicle. If you do get pulled over, turn on your hidden video camera to document the LEO's unprofessionalism should any occur, be polite, submit to authority, keep hands in the open and your opinions to yourself because the LEO doesn't give a flip what you think, and maybe you'll get lucky.
 

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Please explain in what twisted manner "professional courtesy" differs from "special treatment". A frog is still a frog even when it's called "toad".





Well, please explain how you were pulled over on an unlicensed vehicle being ridden on the street when said vehicle had not been on the road.



Wow, must have been a long duration non-ride not on the road, if someone had time to make the call, the call was dispatched, the motocop got up from the donut shop table, strode out to his bike, put on his helmet, rode over, and caught you. I'm guessing here, but the evidence suggests someone wasn't flogging his TW up and down the street multiple times, since the bike was never on the road. Seems there's a reasonable doubt that the whole truth has been shared.



You shoulda rented a Penske truck and done donuts in their yards, and shot their dogs. Even tossing poop in a paper sack smeared with Sterno, setting it afire on their front porch, and ringing the doorbell would have been as effective a response. How dare they interfere with your right to not ride an unlicensed vehicle on a public road! Whym you pay as much taxes as they do! You have every right not to ride on any road you want!



Ideals aside, if a LEO wants to pull you over, (s)he will, and then make up some "reasonable cause". Your first recourse is to request a court listen to your argument that the LEO had no reasonable cause, and since most judges remember through their memories of the drunken haze of their undergrad years a philosophy class that maintained that supposedly a negative can't be proven, you lose. Don't want to be pulled over, don't partake of the previlege of operating a motor vehicle. If you do get pulled over, turn on your hidden video camera to document the LEO's unprofessionalism should any occur, be polite, submit to authority, keep hands in the open and your opinions to yourself because the LEO doesn't give a flip what you think, and maybe you'll get lucky.
So.....whats all this rambling about? What is the big deal?
 

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Well. I see that I caused quite the stir. I hope to put this topic to bed. In short, I got over excited to ride the new to me TW and failed to take the proper steps to do so. Which was wrong. I accept that. I was also EXTREMELY lucky to have been given just a warning by the very professional officer. I realize that. I am now in the process of making the bike street legal and I am not riding it on public roads until this is done. I have made amends with my neighbors and our relationship(s) is/are sound. Now, I hope we can all have fun riding and talking about what we are all here for anyway, and that's these wonderful bikes. I hope to get to know everyone in a friendly manner so that maybe we can someday kick back and get some riding in. Thanks for all the input and I appreciate everyone's opinions.
 

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I got pulled over while riding a registered, inspected & insured Honda Trail 110 on a public road in a State park once. The first thing I said to the State Trooper as I presented my credentials was, "It's street legal" (referring to the bike). He laughed, handed my credentials back and asked me if I happened to see anyone hiding in the woods while I was tooling around. He was looking for a suspect on foot and was hoping I'd seen him. Glad I hadn't! Dunno if he ever got his man, didn't stick around out of curiosity, either.



-Lorddaftbiker
 
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