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I don't have objective proof that this is actually what happened, but it sure looks like either it was intentional because he wanted to feel like a macho man and get some YouTube fame, or he is an utterly incompetent moron. Either way, this video really pisses me off. Who the hell would be out in a wilderness area like that and NOT have a basic understanding of animal behavior (never mind a moose, just any wild animal). If you move toward a territorial animal, it will defend that territory -- DUH! If this guy didn't know that, then he had no business being in that situation in the first place; if he did know that, then the whole thing was intentional. All he had to do was keep whooping and yell a little, and wait a few minutes. Also, he should have had his gun drawn and ready the whole time, not after it was charging like that. Don't get me wrong, I certainly understand that a moose is a very dangerous animal, and if it started charging toward me, I would definitely shoot if I were armed. There was just no legitimate reason to close up the safety gap and threaten the animal like that (this obviously wasn't a moose hunt, either...). To make matters even worse, after seemingly spooking the animal and perhaps getting it to run off, he moves forward more and (apparently) intentionally re-engages, essentially forcing the animal to choose the fight option (or so it seems to me... I am NOT an expert...). I surely hope that this jumpy, wannabe alpha-male, trigger happy dumb ass isn't a cop -- that would be terrifying!


 

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I don't think he handled that well either...
I don't have objective proof that this is actually what happened, but it sure looks like either it was intentional because he wanted to feel like a macho man and get some YouTube fame, or he is an utterly incompetent moron. Either way, this video really pisses me off. Who the hell would be out in a wilderness area like that and NOT have a basic understanding of animal behavior (never mind a moose, just any wild animal). If you move toward a territorial animal, it will defend that territory -- DUH! If this guy didn't know that, then he had no business being in that situation in the first place; if he did know that, then the whole thing was intentional. All he had to do was keep whooping and yell a little, and wait a few minutes. Also, he should have had his gun drawn and ready the whole time, not after it was charging like that. Don't get me wrong, I certainly understand that a moose is a very dangerous animal, and if it started charging toward me, I would definitely shoot if I were armed. There was just no legitimate reason to close up the safety gap and threaten the animal like that (this obviously wasn't a moose hunt, either...). To make matters even worse, after seemingly spooking the animal and perhaps getting it to run off, he moves forward more and (apparently) intentionally re-engages, essentially forcing the animal to choose the fight option (or so it seems to me... I am NOT an expert...). I surely hope that this jumpy, wannabe alpha-male, trigger happy dumb ass isn't a cop -- that would be terrifying!


 

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See it better in Tommy's post. Looks like he wanted it out of the track and the moose didn't want to get out of it due to deep powder. What a ass didn't want to go around then to top it off he shoots it and leaves it looks like.
 

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I didn't watch it after reading the two posts of comments. Too stupid to give it a "hit". Only encourages more idiots with a GoPro and weapon to use them the wrong way.
This is exactly the behavior that piss's off folks who don't shoot or hunt. And should for folks who do as well. Nuff said.
 

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In legal terms I would say the Moose had the right of way and the guy is a complete jerk.

I have watched in person while up in Northern Maine driving past a roadside clear cut where Moose were grazing. Most folks stop to watch but Idiots stop to see these big and ugly animals and get out of their cars with cameras so they can get close up pictures. We watched one guy with 2 young children pull such a stunt and get within 30 feet of the big bull. Just then along comes a game warden who orders the guy away and writes him a very expensive ticket for disturbing the wildlife and endangering the children.

I have also watched other idiots up in Inlet, NY at the garbage dump one evening do the same thing while very big black bears were feeding. There were 5 bears on the garbage pile and some jerk gets within 30 feet of the biggest one with his video camera filming. The bear got pissed and charged him and the dope fell on his ass trying to run. Good thing the charge was just a warning and the bear went back to feeding. This was a nightly attraction and everyone who saw what happened could not believe the stupidity of this guy. The following summer we again went to see the bears at the dump and they had built a fence to keep the idiots away from the bears.

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Looks like he was trying to first shoo it off the snow mobile trail.
 

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Looks like he was trying to first shoo it off the snow mobile trail.
Yup and the pedestrian always has the right of way! I will bet if it was an Elephant with his little Glock pea shooter he would never have gotten any closer than the very first frame.

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The Moose was walking with a limp to begin with 鈥 totally unnecessary kill in my opinion 鈥 should have waited for it to get out of the way from the beginning of the video 鈥 further comments I will refrain from, they 鈥榓int gonna be pretty 鈥..

On the subject of 鈥減utting yourself in danger鈥 鈥 well, funnily enough, (and on a lighter note), I used to get to run 鈥淐lose Protection trainees鈥 through their paces, often in Richmond Park (UK)

Richmond Park has a healthy population of deer, some of them 鈥渜uite large鈥 鈥 and as you would expect, quite 鈥渢ouchy鈥 at certain times of the year 鈥 and not in a good way. Closer than 20 feet and those buggers would charge.

So 鈥 I would tell the Close Protection guys to get as many close ups of the Deer as they can while they were doing the exercise. Sometimes it worked, at other times (of the year) the results were hysterical 鈥 ever seen an Iphone picture of a full sized male going for a full on head butt ?

They would then say 鈥淎re you trying to get us killed?鈥 鈥 to which I would reply 鈥淣o, you鈥檙e trying to get yourself killed, that鈥檚 the point, you should have known better鈥 鈥 Close Protection requires a certain amount of 鈥渁wareness鈥 鈥..

Yes, I was being a bastard 鈥 but it proved the point 鈥 always do your research first, and be prepared

The guy in the video (just like my people) should have known better 鈥︹.
 

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I must admit that I am surprised by some of the comments on here. I watched this video this morning and have reflected on it all day before posting so I could give it a lot of careful thought first.

1. I knew moose could be aggressive but NEVER knew that you should remain quiet and just hope they move away from you. This runs counter to everything I have ever learned about how to react to a threatening animal.
Once that moose made the first bluff the rules changed in my mind.
2. The ONLY thing I would have done differently is to sit back and enjoy watching the moose from a distance and not tried to get ANY closer. If that moose walked all the way to me from 100 yards out I would have done every single thing the guy in the video did. Nuff said.



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The guys a moron. I'd let a jury decide if shoot was justified. My personal opinion is that is was not. However, he should be charged with failing to dispatch that animal after he put five rounds in that animal.
 

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to kill an animal out of season and not report it is against the law. then to post it just gives the game warden all the evidence needed to prosecute. hope they will and soon
 

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Guys, this video is from 2014...

There are multiple factors that we don't know and may not be immediately knowable from the video.

Things like:

1) This moose might have been a known problem in the area with a history of aggression.
2) the rider might not have felt like he could go out of the track/rut in that spot.
3) Whether or not he went back to check and dispatch as needed -- every big game hunter in Colorado knows you DO NOT pursue an animal immediately unless it drops DRT, and then you still approach with caution. He might have felt he could get passed it but did not want to be in its immediate location until he was sure it was dead.
4) The presence of others not immediately seen in the video -- perhaps children.
5) The actions he took after determining status -- he might have called the game warden, etc.

This is a very short clip and does not tell the whole story.

I'm very much into conservation and making sure animals do not suffer needlessly. When I first got out of the Army, I was a hunting guide for a season. One of the hunters stuck an elk but the elk moved right as he released the arrow, and it struck it in the rear of the shoulder blade. Elk ran off. We looked all over that mountain for 2 days. I felt sick over it. I'm not into the idea of animals being harmed willy nilly and suffering. But we simply do not know from this video what the entire story is, and I'm not gonna call for someone's head over a 3 year old video that is an incomplete display of evidence in the circumstance.
 

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to kill an animal out of season and not report it is against the law. then to post it just gives the game warden all the evidence needed to prosecute. hope they will and soon
I did research this video before I posted my initial comment. The incident WAS reported to the proper authorities BY the man who shot the video. The rider behind this man was his teenage son and the man who shot the moose had a known medically treated heart condition. This is by no means an isolated incident. As it turns out there have been many incidents where moose have attacked snowmobile riders. Who knew?

Not sure about my feelings on posting this video. Knee jerk reaction is that I just totally disapprove of this video being posted. Upon further thought perhaps posting this enlightened people, like myself, to the proper way to handle interactions with an ornery moose.


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If the Glock was a 9mm with conventional full metal jacket round nose cartridges I would rate it a poor choice to take snowmobiling in big critter country.
 
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