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As most of you know this is my son and I's first motorcycle experience. This weekend we took the TW200s camping up near Buffalo Creek. During our little day trips we stayed on the fire access roads, RD550 and RD560. The ride seemed kind of loose a few times. It gave a us quite a few "pucker" moments but we wrote that off to our lack of experience.

We are both very excited to get back out on the fire roads and get some more experience on gravel and dirt.

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I can see it now, the handwriting is on the wall. I'm living it and I can see you two will as well. Someday in the future, you will graduate to singletrack trails experiencing unanticipated overnight rides which will get your relations nervous if not outright panicked. ...and you two will be having fun the whole time totally unaware a Search & Rescue has been initiated! :p


I like riding with others from time-to-time, but the best rides of all are with my wife, son's, and our daughters. You two are gonna have a blast this summer!

 

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Someday in the future, you will graduate to singletrack trails experiencing unanticipated overnight rides which will get your relations nervous if not outright panicked.
So you DID noticed that I forgot all my trail tools, gas, and extra tubes back at camp?
 

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How wonderful that you are doing this while your family is still together as one. The one thing I truly regret is being away working. I should have been out riding with the kids and a pole in the lake. Now they are scattered to the wind and hardly get to see them.

This June we are having the chance to get together for a few weeks while school is out. Hope I can last 3wks keeping up with the little tigers. Will start out with gma's woodpile, that should take a little fire out of them lol.
 

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I have had some great times riding with my son and daughter.
Your going to have a lot of fun and some good family rivalry.
Follow me if you can, and I think we can make that hill moments.

As for those pucker moments, have you aired down the tires?
 

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...... The ride seemed kind of loose a few times. It gave a us quite a few "pucker" moments but we wrote that off to our lack of experience....
As far as I can tell from the pic with the kayaks, you still have the OEM Death Wing front tire. It is one of the worst possible tires on loose gravel roads! :eek: I know that just having spent mucho dinero on the two bikes, the idea of throwing away two barely used Bridgestones is appalling, but consider what might have happened if either one of you did in fact tuck the front in a turn. Would it be worth $80 to you to avoid eating gravel at 20 mph after having the front wash out? Having the front tire wash out on gravel is MUCH MUCH worse than a rear slide because it happens very fast and there is NOTHING you can do to deal with it once it goes beyond a couple of inches..... You are going to face plant full length into the road. :nightmare:

I experienced exactly the same feeling as you just had on loose gravel, which we have a lot of here, to the point I would not want to lean the OEM more than 10 degrees in turns. I changed to the Kenda 270 at 4,000 miles and immediately wished I had done it at 35 miles. :dejection:

Just last month I changed out the Kenda with 8,000 miles for the Shinko 241, and it is FAR superior to the Kenda 270 or the Shinko 244 Golden Boy in gravel....light years better than the OEM. I can now lean to 25-30 degrees with confidence due to a much more predictable feel.

It is NOT your inexperience, but just plain poor tire design for gravel.....nothing wrong with the OEM for pavement, but it just plain sucks on loose gravel.....(and quite few other dirt surfaces!) It is true that you can improve the dirt performance of the OEM by going down to 12 psi, but the real improvement is with a different tire design.
 

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This is what it all about and why you bought those bikes��.
 

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As far as I can tell from the pic with the kayaks, you still have the OEM Death Wing front tire. It is one of the worst possible tires on loose gravel roads! :eek: I know that just having spent mucho dinero on the two bikes, the idea of throwing away two barely used Bridgestones is appalling, but consider what might have happened if either one of you did in fact tuck the front in a turn. Would it be worth $80 to you to avoid eating gravel at 20 mph after having the front wash out? Having the front tire wash out on gravel is MUCH MUCH worse than a rear slide because it happens very fast and there is NOTHING you can do to deal with it once it goes beyond a couple of inches..... You are going to face plant full length into the road. :nightmare:

I experienced exactly the same feeling as you just had on loose gravel, which we have a lot of here, to the point I would not want to lean the OEM more than 10 degrees in turns. I changed to the Kenda 270 at 4,000 miles and immediately wished I had done it at 35 miles. :dejection:

Just last month I changed out the Kenda with 8,000 miles for the Shinko 241, and it is FAR superior to the Kenda 270 or the Shinko 244 Golden Boy in gravel....light years better than the OEM. I can now lean to 25-30 degrees with confidence due to a much more predictable feel.

It is NOT your inexperience, but just plain poor tire design for gravel.....nothing wrong with the OEM for pavement, but it just plain sucks on loose gravel.....(and quite few other dirt surfaces!) It is true that you can improve the dirt performance of the OEM by going down to 12 psi, but the real improvement is with a different tire design.
This is very good advice!
 

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This is very good advice!
I was going to post up the death wing story too but hesitated. My buddy punctured a lung and broke some ribs after getting back in the dirt after a very long hiatus. It's not that we are blowing this out of proportion. A well practiced experienced rider will have much better luck recovering and not panicking from a front tire wash out. New inexperienced or out of practice riders will in most cases wind up eating dirt. I'll say this, of all the money I've dumped into the goat the one thing that so far that seems to be well earning the investment is the 241.

I was out in the sand last night heating the engine up for some testing of the oil cooler and let me tell you, it's much more enjoyable seeing sand and not going holly crap here we go again! Hold on for dear life, sit back, put your weight more on the pegs, get off the front, gun it! HOLD ON.....! hahaha lol. (YOU SHOULD STILL DO THAT BY THE WAY) ;)

Honestly it's much more controllable and MORE importantly predictable. Before the stock tire was like bi-polar rubber, i never knew what to expect. If and when I get another goat the first thing I will do is put a 241 on it, in-fact I already bought the tire.. cuz, well you know. I'm addicted and I WILL buy another! WHO'S GOT ONE?
 

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I was going to post up the death wing story too but hesitated. My buddy punctured a lung and broke some ribs after getting back in the dirt after a very long hiatus. It's not that we are blowing this out of proportion. A well practiced experienced rider will have much better luck recovering and not panicking from a front tire wash out. New inexperienced or out of practice riders will in most cases wind up eating dirt. I'll say this, of all the money I've dumped into the goat the one thing that so far that seems to be well earning the investment is the 241.

I was out in the sand last night heating the engine up for some testing of the oil cooler and let me tell you, it's much more enjoyable seeing sand and not going holly crap here we go again! Hold on for dear life, sit back, put your weight more on the pegs, get off the front, gun it! HOLD ON.....! hahaha lol. (YOU SHOULD STILL DO THAT BY THE WAY) ;)

Honestly it's much more controllable and MORE importantly predictable. Before the stock tire was like bi-polar rubber, i never knew what to expect. If and when I get another goat the first thing I will do is put a 241 on it, in-fact I already bought the tire.. cuz, well you know. I'm addicted and I WILL buy another! WHO'S GOT ONE?
This past Moab I road my TW with the stock front tire. Last year Moab 2015 I had a SR244 on my old TW I was riding. The SR244 was far better than the Stock in the sand and I hope the 241 is as good as everyone says it is when I mount it later this summer. The stock tire was good on the rock but there is so much sand in between the rock area's one just had to pay so much attention as it would wash out without warning, even going straight.

I don't mind the stock front tire except in sand. I think the stock tires worst surface to ride in is sand, well and probably mud too. All the rest is just ok.
 

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Yep, that's how I see it. OEM not good in the sand at all, gravel somewhat better depending on substrate and gravel size.
 
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