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I know political posts are not allowed in this forum, so I won't go into any specific details, but I feel completely alienated from what often seems like 90% of the population (even though I do not think it is actually anywhere near that high). I can't even make a post like this on, say, Facebook, without being attacked and having all sorts of colorful sociopolitical insults lobbed at me from angry, triggered snowflakes who have no idea how to actually think independently. Maybe it's just me getting older and seeing more and more of the ugly truths in our society, but I can't help feeling like it's just getting worse and worse. People are becoming more and more insane. Facts/truths and simple logic are becoming less and less common. Unique perspectives are becoming less and less accepted/more and more hated. Outright, rampant stupidity and brainwashed indoctrination-fueled nonsense are increasing exponentially. The things that come out of people's mouths and through their fingers on the keyboard...

I just, I can't handle this. It's too much. I can't even talk to anyone anymore. People have absolutely just fucking lost it. I just watched a particularly disturbing YouTube video of two girls going on about a particular set of party-line talking points (again, I won't mention anything specific, here, so please don't ban this post...), and one of them literally said that she had never seen/noticed, or experienced ANY of what she was claiming was a "major problem in our society", her whole life, UNTIL SHE GOT TO COLLEGE AND LEARNED ABOUT IT IN HER [use your imagination to fill in this blank] CLASS! Talk about indoctrination. How bad can this get? I'm sure it can and will get even worse, sadly.

Again, I am saying nothing specific, but I'm confident that most of you know what I'm talking about, at least in general terms. How can I exist in a society like this? What can I do to distance myself from all of this madness and somehow stay sane and try to lead some kind of decent life in spite of it all? Stop watching, reading about, or engaging in anything remotely of that nature (but isn't that burying my head in the sand?)? Get out of town and start an off-the-grid life? Move to a state with areas where population is around 3 per square mile? Take a stand and fight to the death (metaphorically speaking)? Pretend to be one of them, changing everything about the way I behave and interact with the sheep of society and live as though I, too, have lost the ability to perform higher-level brain functions (just like pretending to be one of the zombies in a crowd of marauding zombies in a zombie-apocalypse movie...)?
 

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Carry on KJ, this is our off topic area where we can talk about such things. No one will ban your post.

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Keep a short account with God and continue to make the right moral decisions daily. We know inwardly the path we should be walking.
 

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put blinders on and pretend. i can't even understand what half of these kids are saying, they speak something other than english. what helps me is the fact that we are outside of a small town on acreage and don't have to see most of it. while the wife watches the news, i am on the tw200 forum, so i miss 1/2 of what is going on in the unreal world. it helps to not know. i only have to fake it until old timers sets in, maybe 15 years to go
 

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Thanks to the USMC, years of loud rock n roll, firearms, and motorcycles, I'm losing my hearing. Because the things that come out of these uneducated leftists mouths sound just like my backside after a wicked Taco Tuesday. Shut up. Get a job. And work for what you want. Free isn't really free. Working folk pay for it you lazy snowflakes.
Hey Pelosi, the weather is nice in Florida, Texas, and Arizona, yet over half of all homeless in the US live in California. Hmmm.
Pres. Trump may be a pompus ass, but the job is getting done. If you can't find someone in your party worthy of competing in the next election that your only choice is to try to impeach on BS, time to take a deeper look in the mirror.
Ok I'm done. Hashfrickentag COWBOY UP AMERICA!
 

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Ahhh, youtube. The playground of the idle mind. I'd stay off it if your keystrokes seem to lead to to videos that disturb you. You are not forced to go there but seemingly you end up in that rabbit hole.
HaHa, me too sometimes when I'm just trying to find out how to balance & true a tire. Before I know it I'm at "stupid boat launch fails" (or something like it) and next "angry Burger King Customers who have lost it" (or something like that). An hour after you watched the frikken tire video! The human exercise is to show how outrageous you can be for the world to see & hear nowadays. Everyones a Star or at least in their minds. From the very top to the bottom. And the spring-board is what I am typing on right now.

Find peace.

Sound like you are getting old too... like me, :). Be at peace.


PS: tell you how out there I am, when I saw the word "contemporary" I thought this thread was about architecture or furniture. HaHa, I'm losing it too.
 

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Wife and I are in the same boat as is many of our calif. friends.
We are slow traveling to our Son and family home in the Santa Rosa Beach area of Fla. for Thanksgiving, camping with our Truck/camper along the way. As we traveled through Utah, N. Mex, Colorado, Miss and some of Ala we were unable to find/listen to any conservative radio. NPR was the only talk type radio we could find. We all know the bias tilt for NPR! Luckily I do download some of our talk show hosts podcasts so we can get something close to the truth. We do listen to the news and read, Drudge, NPR, BBC and Breitbart to make sure we are getting both sides.

This all said, I can understand the voting and thoughts of those folks. They NEVER hear or see the other side of the story. The TV news/talk is ALLmost 100% repeat the talking points and anti America point of view.

Just crazy!

Jim
 

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Lived in Ca. my whole life. I have a step-daughter that's a professor at a University down south. It's so hard to have a casual visit with her & her boyfriend. Boyfriend never says shit, doesn't address anyone when he enters my home, and stares at his fkn phone the whole time he's here. I can tell by looking at his arms that he's never done anything physical. He's the beta in the relationship. She is the alpha by far. Always uses big words, lol, frowns at me a lot, tells us all how bitchin' she is & she deserves more because she works hard blablabla.
Anyway, I guess my point would be that these days, kids are taught what to think, and not how to think. I've heard a lot of it. It's very obvious when a liberal speaks.
So, usually when their here, I simply go to the garage to work on the bikes, or some project.
They are supposed to be here very soon. I'm Happily Waiting for the arrival.
I'm usually not a negative guy, but today I will again override my feeling with this, because my garage will be warmer that the house...
 

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I suggest discussing politics with the family on this Thanksgiving; it will save on Christmas presents.

Actually KJ, many of us sympathize with you. While some may say "If you can't beat them, then join them" and go ahead and figure out how to work the system to your advantage. Go ahead and join the group think and learn to hate America too. Maybe get a government grant to study why last year supposedly 340,000 registered voters in California who were called up could not serve on jury duty because they were not U.S.citizens.

...or go ride your motorcycle more.
 

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I suggest discussing politics with the family on this Thanksgiving; it will save on Christmas presents.

Actually KJ, many of us sympathize with you. While some may say "If you can't beat them, then join them" and go ahead and figure out how to work the system to your advantage. Go ahead and join the group think and learn to hate America too. Maybe get a government grant to study why last year supposedly 340,000 registered voters in California who were called up could not serve on jury duty because they were not U.S.citizens.

...or go ride your motorcycle more.
HAHA!!! Ya, discussing politics is a sore subject around my in-laws. Somehow, they all have completely different stats on whats what. They were all about killary in the past. Now, they hate Trump. Fkn impossible. Anyway, Happy Thanksgiving, & I'll be on my best behavior today. maybe...
 

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The government and much of the media thrive on controversy and division and I suspect the US isn't nearly as divided as the media portrays it. The more division, the more extreme the partisan swing of the pendulum.

I believe if you dismiss the partisan lingo and discuss things from a more open minded and less oppositional perspective you'll find most people to be more reasonable then you expected.

Every sociopolitical ideology is riddled with flaws and missconceptions that need to be challenged with patience, respect, and compromise.
 

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I stopped watching the news when O was voted president. I will occasionally see some story flipping thru the channels but I just can't take it any more. I am not on FB. I am on tw200forum and chinariders. I have a twitter account only to get the real news from Trump. I listen to Rush Limbaugh when I can.

Seems after the markets fell in 2008, the country just went to the left. The .03% of the population was telling the rest of us what to think. I had lost all hope until Trump gave his little announcement that he was running for president. I was like "he is saying what the regular people were thinking". I was so tired of being PC on every little thing. It was so refreshing to hear somebody say the truth. I now feel that when the liberals finally fail at getting rid of Trump things will get even better. We are in the lowest unemployment ever recorded - For every demographic. Just think what could be if he had help from the dems and even some in his own party! I have never seen so many help wanted signs. I even saw a school bus parked in front of a school with a "Bus drivers wanted" sign. That was a first for me. If you want a job, you can get a job now.

So I am not going to let .03% freaks of the liberal party tell me what to do and think. Liberal thinking is "Good intentions with horrible results". They get this stuff passed to make themselves "feel good". Then the rest of us have to pay for it or tear it down when it fails. Let them donate very dime they earn to whatever cause they choose. I will tell you NO to anything that takes money from my family and gives it away to worthless crap.

I am not a book reader but I picked up a book that changed the way I look at every detail of our modern world. It is called "Fake". I picked it up for the title but it is not what you think. It really explains our money system and who really controls the world's money. Seems like from reading this, Trump has stepped on the toes of some very powerful people. These people control or want to control all the "little people". By controlling the media outlets, what is taught in school, and most of the search engines on the internet, they had almost succeeded. They are using everything they can to stop our president. I think people are finally waking up and seeing what is happening. All but the low information crowd. They will always be able to be hypnotized by whatever they see on TV, FB, or what they see on their phones.

From just my listening and watching people, the older we get the more we come out of the fog and see the truth of how things are.
 

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Know thy enemy.

It's not really politics that you are railing against. It is the philosophy of post-modernism. The Left merely embraces it as an end to it's needs.

"Postmodernism rejects the reason and the individualism that the entire Enlightenment world depends upon. And so it ends up attacking all of the consequences of the Enlightenment philosophy, from capitalism and liberal forms of government to science and technology.

Postmodernism’s essentials are the opposite of modernism’s. Instead of natural reality—anti-realism. Instead of experience and reason—linguistic social subjectivism. Instead of individual identity and autonomy—various race, sex, and class group-isms. Instead of human interests as fundamentally harmonious and tending toward mutually-beneficial interaction—conflict and oppression. Instead of valuing individualism in values, markets, and politics—calls for communalism, solidarity, and egalitarian restraints. Instead of prizing the achievements of science and technology—suspicion tending toward outright hostility." - Explaining Postmodernism by Stephen Hicks, 2004

Ignoring post-modernism will not make it go away.

One must understand it, to fight it.
 

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A while back, someone said (on this site), “The over sixties should have no vote on Brexit, because half of them are dead, and the other half are senile”

Today, I read (in the UK), “I don’t read the (election) news, I get all my opinions from facebbook”

As long as we take what we read as a substitute for free thought, then we just become “slaves to opinion of others”

This is how racism starts, and we start being part of lynch mobs, politically or otherwise, simply because “we read somewhere that this was right” – 300 other gullible idiots marching by your side make it all the more plausible

Has the advent of the internet really denied us free thought ? – or is it simpler just to “go with the flow” rather than work it out for ourselves ?

The moment you believe anything you read, or anything that is the opinion of someone else, then the only person you are deceiving is yourself

Take everything on board, work out for yourself who is right and who is wrong, and stand for what you believe in – not for what someone else says you should think. The media is corrupt, and the bigots will always be with us, but we have the right to “self-determination”, and to give that right up betrays nobody but ourselves

We look to America as the home of the free, but how free are you if you believe the bullshit out there ?

Question everything, believe nothing – we at least still have the right to think for ourselves in the free world, a right many have given their lives for, and others still stand for to this day ….
 

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Have no fear KJ, you can talk to us and be in friendly company for the most part. What you are describing is written in the book by Saul Olinsky, "Rules for Radicals". Divide and conquer, make everyone a racist, remove God. Indoctrination has been in full force since before I was in HS back in the 1960s and the main rule in his book is to teach the children to hate.
Unlike you and your perceived desire to shut up and not interact I am the complete opposite and welcome the discussion. I notice however that the very moment I destroy any liberals comments they turn immediately to name calling and labels. I am a Racist is the usual name they assign me yet I am so very far from racist at all. When I point out proven facts they have no basis to come back at me and this is where they lose their arguments. I get a real thrill out of watching the young grow older. In their youth they are card carrying members of the FSA (Free Shit Army), free college, free food, free cell phones and the list is endless and then they are forced to leave their safe place in mommy and daddy's nest and make it on their own. All of a sudden the dim light inside their tiny head gets very bright as they finally begin to realize just who is paying for all this free shit. My very liberal nephew now has 2 children and a home with big mortgage, 2 car payments and both he and his wife are working hard jobs trying to stay ahead of the tax man and bill collectors. What a rude awakening they have gone through and these days they are switching their allegiance and finally beginning to see the light and errors of their ways. There is now some hope for them and they are also seeing this hope with their same age friends as they awaken to the realities of this real world. I think the light comes on right around 40 ish for most of these highly educated idiots who have drank the cool aide from their communist educators. Some still refuse to accept the misgivings of their indoctrination and will remain lost forever but I do see that most wake up. It does my heart so much good to hear my nephew and his wife complain and bitch about all the taxes and the things they could do with all that money the government robs from them so the FSA can continue to march. They finally paid off their Student Loans after close to 20 years and all of a sudden they totally disagree that those who are still in debt with loans might get them paid off by the government who they now realize is them and their tax dollars. Socialism is a bad joke tried numerous times in numerous countries and a complete failure in all but this time they will get it right---WRONG! Nephew got a nice bonus check from his work of $5,000 and wow did he scream when the taxes took over $1500 of his check right off the top plus the increase in his year end salary put him in the next higher tax bracket and even more of his money will go to taxes. I helped them out a few times when they were short and always got paid back but the very best payback for me was when he and his wife both said "You were right all along Uncle". Bernie Sanders is a complete fool and Elizabeth Warren is even worse. We both got nice raises at work and we both have good health insurance from our jobs since Trump has been in office and there is no way we will let those lunatics take it away.

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Oh man, KJ, you have no idea how closely I relate and how strongly I feel the same way. I am nestled in the Seattle suburbs. Born and raised. I've watched the population of the state double and the area change from the blue collar days of Bill the Beerman in the Kingdome, to more of a Silicone Valley Jr. I am disgustingly trapped behind enemy lines for now. I say for now, because I do have a plan to get out. As I do not yet have the FU $ needed to make a clean break, I will lease my soul for a while longer until I can make my 30 year mark for my pension and take my blue state earnings and assets to a red state to seek refuge. I'm betting on myself that I can make it out with my plan. I may not! It is a legit daily struggle for sanity. I don't dare express my true opinions online or in-person to anyone but a very small circle of the like-minded. We'll see how long I can hold out.

Prayers and wishes for your sanity too, brother. I hope you can find your exit plan. Best, Larry
 
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