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As usual Betty Boop and I returned a little beat up from Utah. Here are some of the souvineers from ten days in the southwest:
These used to be turn signals

Upper frame damage:

Subframe and Cyclerack fractures:

Main frame fracture:

Burst can of ten year old flat fix sure made a sticky mess when it got eaten up by rear tire:

"Held on by a thread" comes to mind:

Accompanying soft tissue damage:

Now I can't blame this all on Moab's terrain, I did get perhaps a little over my head free-ridding @ Swing Arm City:
Unbelievable intense winds while camped there did toss Berry Boop downwind three times before I had to strap her to my wildly shaking van to keep bike upright.


So who else has some repair work to be done? I saw several subframe failures and usual collection of broken turn signals. Come on, drag out the battle damage for our viewing pleasure.

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I attribute most of this to an overloaded Cyclerack with one gallon of fuel hung at the very back. While I had transfered much of the cantelevered load to an extension of the sub-frame obviously the sub-frame then became overloaded. I shall be extending my frame rearward and likely leaving off CycleRack and fuel except for possible longer gentler rides. For day to day excusions I plan to restore an older smaller tailbag that also ties into frame extension for modular interchangable cargo hauling.
 

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Does anyone from the MOAB adventures know what was the longest ride (MILES) ? Do you absolutely require more fuel than the 1.8-ish gallons of the stock TW tank? I see the need to carry a set of tools, but how much extra fuel is needed for the trails/riding that was done? Did anyone need extra fuel (aside from anyone who may have forgotten to fill up before each days riding).
 

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If you have a larger fuel tank I believe most rides are doable.
I ran out of fuel with the stock tank 1/2 way up the Shafer switch back on the white rim trail ride.
I hit reserve on the flats a few miles past our stop at the river.
Washington Larry had lent me one of his rota packs so I could continue the journey.
 

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The White Rim Trail was the longest ride without any possible comercial re-fueling options. Without any diversions it can be as little as ~120 miles but we wandered a bit so I measured 142 miles. One dirt-crazed Canadian with a stock tank did run dry. Fortunately several of us carried extra fuel to give out but only efranz needed a splash to make it back to camp.
I would recogmend a little extra fuel in any group just for emergencies.

Edit: My 2.3 gallon XT225 tank went on reserve at 119 miles rather than it's normal 75 miles. I suspect the filter sock inside the tank on the petcock's Main or the selector valve has a leak allowing another ~45 miles of travel before needing to switch over to the reserve setting. Two days prior also ran ~120 miles on the main for a Mineral Bottom/ Island in the Sky ride before needing to select reserve. Will pull tank and inspect sometime.
 

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Great title for a thread Fred - lol

I see the Cyclerack casualties are still mounting up - mind you, in that kinda terrain I doubt that any rack could withstand the bashing of a gallon of fuel strapped to it

Has anyone ever tried mounting the fuel on the rear seat (which is load bearing) - you'd need a couple of short uprights to stop it from slipping, but it does "sound" sensible - maybe save the rear racks for clothing and such .....
 

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I can attest to some of the rough riding in Moab. Last year I broke my BBQ ManRack, thats perfect for me ; and sent it back to ManRacks. The guy over there was great, its just him I think. It broke where the tabs bolt under the seat. Not only did he re weld it but beefed it up with thicker steel tabs. Repainted it, Lightning fast return, and Free. :) Fred I think you should consider starting fresh. Your foot is looking old and I think you should buy a new bike.:sorrow::sorrow::sorrow:
 

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I think back to how Lizrdbrth felt about extra fuel, "Put it between your legs where it belongs". A gallon of fuel weighs about 8 pounds which is not that big of a deal until you start thinking about the bashing we put it through while hanging off the far rear of the rack. Just about the same as swinging an 8 pound sledge hammer down on the rack. I think for rides like the ones out west I would save my stock tank and have a 4 gallon Clarke tank for this occasion. Just buy a second seat so you can modify it and a switch of the seat and tank might take 15 minutes.

Wow Fred, You have poor Betty looking like a worn out old hag who was ridden hard and put up wet way too often. I sure hope you had more fun than she did.

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I am thinking that a lot of the subframe breaks are caused by the rack itself. It doesn't help that weight is being put on it too. The racks are wide and if you drop the bike where does it land on the side of the rack usually. That creates a pretty good torsional hit on that weak holey sub frame cross piece. Vannilla Gorilla's beefed up cross piece looks like it would solve most of the frame breaks. Now Fred is another topic altogether. I think he needs a special crome moly frame custom built bike with a turbo encabulator.
 

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Yeah, time to start wearing out Mr.Gizmo since it has the big 4 gallon tank, a stouter rack of Gerry's design as well as the long travel suspension to soften impacts. Need to curb my tendancy to haul alot of "what if" gear on the bike as the weight of two loaded tool tubes, rack plus food, beverages, raingear, etc really adds up even without the burden of additional gasoline.
Gerry's Mr.Gizmo was a babied testbed for his inovative creativity and I doubt it rarely saw north of 50mph on his back-woods explorations. I had it on the freeway once and it quickly zoomed up over 70 on a mild downhill, likely with a tailwind too. So should I have Mr.Gizmo suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous misfortune like Betty Boop or give the little beastie a little respect?
 

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I am thinking that a lot of the subframe breaks are caused by the rack itself. It doesn't help that weight is being put on it too. The racks are wide and if you drop the bike where does it land on the side of the rack usually. That creates a pretty good torsional hit on that weak holey sub frame cross piece. Vannilla Gorilla's beefed up cross piece looks like it would solve most of the frame breaks. Now Fred is another topic altogether. I think he needs a special crome moly frame custom built bike with a turbo encabulator.
I have to disagree here! The cycle rack has absolutely no contact with the Sub Frame. It does bolt to that cross member which is forward of the SF. If that cross member breaks allowing the rack to fall on the sub frame then there is where the SF gets broke. The sub frame does nothing except hold the rear fender, tail light and blinkers.

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Gary I guess what I was calling the subframe is really the weak stamped cross frame with the holes in it. To me I see the rack breaking that piece when it hits the ground. VG changed his out with 3 pieces of steel plate.
 
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Gary I guess what I was calling the subframe is really the weak stamped cross frame with the holes in it. To me I see the rack breaking that piece when it hits the ground. VG changed his out with 3 pieces of steel plate.
That cross brace with all the holes is a known weak link and what VG did is the correct fix. It is forward of the actual bolt on Sub Frame and the cycle rack does not add anything to the sub frame weight capacity but it sure does bolt to that flimsy cross brace.

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Geez Fred, what were you hitting to get bruises like that inside your feet? I've been riding/racing along time and I've never had anything like that happen
 
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