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I'd like to extend honor to my fellow Vietnam War era Veterans on this first ever National Vietnam War Veterans Day. Thanks to all that served and sacrificed.

President Donald Trump signed the Vietnam War Veterans Day Act on March 28, 2017. Thank you Sir.
 

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Thank you for this post.

I just called my Dad to say "Thank You". Servicemen were viewed totally different during the Vietnam era - not rearguard as heroes.

He learned a lot, became a great leader, and grew in his faith from his experience. He gives speeches at high schools about the war - he documented his experience well.

He led a platoon of 8-12 men on patrols with a M113 personnel carrier tank - His group included 7-8 tanks, including the M551 Sheridan and some others.

He manned the 50 cal on the top of the M113 tank and Dad still has BALLS OF STEEL to this day.

Thanks Dad and all the servicemen that served in Vietnam - and in any conflict. Great job Guys and Gals!
 

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Wish there was more notice or media coverage on this than one day. If I wasn't browsing through TW Forum I wouldn't have even known.
Nevertheless... a long time coming for those that served, way overdue. Makes me feel very sorry and embarrassed.
 

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Welcome Home...to all the Brothers...
 

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A huge thank you to all who served in Vietnam! It was the mistreatment of those returning that helped open the eyes of real Americans to stand up and say never again. It is about time the soldiers of that era are properly recognized.



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1972, 3 of us in full uniform coming home on a 2 week pass and walking through Penn Station and we needed a police escort to get to our buses for the final leg of our trip to our towns. After that I flew out to San Diego and again in full uniform on what they called Military Stand by flights. Not much resistance in the airport but when I got on the plane a few people started heckling me and a Marine on the same flight so the stewardess came and moved both of us up to first class and man did they take care of us all the way. The Marine was a combat vet while I was USN and just going for training and never saw any in country combat. Did not matter, that stewardess fed us like we were true heroes and loaded our carry on bags with those little airline liquor bottles and on landing she got us off first. For the two weeks while I was at home even kids I went to HS with shunned me because I was serving, kind of hard to disguise myself with a military white wall short hair cut while all the others had hair to their shoulders. Even my own sister, a full blown liberal was anti war and totally against both me and my brother serving even though every male in our family served during one war or the other over the many years. That war changed this country and certainly not for the better.

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1972, 3 of us in full uniform coming home on a 2 week pass and walking through Penn Station and we needed a police escort to get to our buses for the final leg of our trip to our towns. After that I flew out to San Diego and again in full uniform on what they called Military Stand by flights. Not much resistance in the airport but when I got on the plane a few people started heckling me and a Marine on the same flight so the stewardess came and moved both of us up to first class and man did they take care of us all the way. The Marine was a combat vet while I was USN and just going for training and never saw any in country combat. Did not matter, that stewardess fed us like we were true heroes and loaded our carry on bags with those little airline liquor bottles and on landing she got us off first. For the two weeks while I was at home even kids I went to HS with shunned me because I was serving, kind of hard to disguise myself with a military white wall short hair cut while all the others had hair to their shoulders. Even my own sister, a full blown liberal was anti war and totally against both me and my brother serving even though every male in our family served during one war or the other over the many years. That war changed this country and certainly not for the better.

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None of that happened {in small town Celina, Ohio} ...although there were a few who really were against the war, the upbringings of them and the shear number of us that served from the area, left little doubt that this Christian/Catholic Conservative County and Towns in it, were squarely behind those that served...I was never shunned or hassled for serving...off to college it was a different story, but most of those gutless a~holes didn't have the balls to confront you one on one....and they are the ones that are now running the courts, Governments, and left wing BureauRats filled holes around the States and DC these days...
 

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I am grateful to all who have served our country in the military. It is wrong to blame soldiers for war when they are not the reason it exists. "Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends." Thanks to all who gave their lives, risked their lives or who had life changing injuries. Thanks to you all because you served for family, friends, and strangers.
 

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I have often thought the catalyst to the opposition of The War in Vietnam was the draft, or conscription. Take the draft out of the equation and very few people would have cared. On the flip side, add conscription to the war in Iraq or Afghanistan or the Middle East, what ever it is, and there will be huge antiwar demonstrations and antiwar protests that will rival those of the 1960's.

My 2 cents worth.
 

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It is true, The draft hits the young population right in their fear gland. I was a volunteer," RA "in the army but served alongside about 50% draftees, "US."
Most of the draftees were older than us volunteers and were a stabilizing influence on us. Many were highly educated and we learned a lot from them.
Once they accepted their situation, for most about halfway through AIT, they were very good soldiers. Only a very few stayed rebellious for their term.
They were every bit as patriotic as the volunteers perhaps for different reasons.
I personally think the end of the draft was a mistake.
In Germany in the early sixties, I got to know many German soldiers, both volunteers and conscripts. Germany had perhaps the best way to use conscripts that I ever saw.
Every German of military age and health OWED his country service and understood that. If a conscript served in a combat unit, Infantry, armor, or artillery, it was for a minimum
of 1 1/2 years active duty with 1 1/2 years reserve time. If he chose non combat service, he was put into a work battalion building roads and other infra structure the nation needed
and served 3 years active service in that status. In this way, all conscripts served their country honorably and could say with pride, "I served".
This could never happen in the US because the organized labor unions would scream bloody murder. There were labor unions in Germany but they apparently understood that all owed a service to their country first. And I cannot find fault with that.
 

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As Gen.Lee said after a battle which I cant remember he said
"War is Hell, but that is good, if not people would grow fond
of it." My hat and my heart goes out to all the people that
had to fight in all the [email protected]@Tholes .I missed Vietnam by 2 yr.
I would have gone in minute had I been called,fortunately I was
sparred the crap you people had to see,and go through. Words
cannot express what you had to do or seen GOD BLESS YOU n THANK YOU
 

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Same here.I came out of High School in 1976 and they wanted nothing to do with me. Guess my lungs and knee being shot may have had something to do with it. Also something I learned. You don't talk about it unless you have been there but often times a Vet welcomes someone who will listen.
 

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Most of today's youth, 17-25 have absolutely no idea what war is. The vast majority will likely never take another human's life. I have friends and family member who at the ripe age of 18 & 19 had already killed over 20 men in Vietnam. NO, the vast majority of these combat soldiers will not talk about it except in a very controlled atmosphere and among other trained killers who harbor the same guilt and remorse. My brother in law is just turning 70 this week and is one of three men in his platoon who survived an ambush and he lived by playing dead among the bodies of his pals who were dead. He lives with the guilt of taking another dead soldiers helmet and putting on his head so it looked like he was head shot while the gooks ransacked all the dead bodies for what ever they could steal. He is sure he will go to heaven because he has already been in hell.

Anyone foolish enough to denigrate the actions these soldiers went through is simply clueless and living in a bubble where they have been protected by so many others who never had that luxury at 18 & 19 years old. My fathers ship was sunk in Pearl Harbor and I lost 2 uncles on the shores of Normandy yet every male in my family who was fit to serve has served and I now have great nephews who are already planning to join as soon as they finish schooling. All veterans deserve nothing but our unwavering respect.

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GaryL all I can say is WOW...along with all of you and your families who had to experience any of this I take my hat off to you. You are ALL heroes to me and many others. I can't thank you enough!
Thanks Blockhead from all of us veterans. There is only one thing that Ps me off worse than some dumb kid denigrating a veteran. Stolen Valor, those who claim they served but never did as well as those who claim some BS PTSD yet were never in any kind of combat. I am a Vietnam era veteran but never did see any combat. I am also entitled to the VA health services but I rarely ever use them simply because I see so many others there who really do need those services more than me. I get my eyes examined and don't even take the glasses, just the prescription and buy my own. Some day they will give me hearing aids but only if I can't get them from medicare and my supplemental insurance.

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Thanks Blockhead from all of us veterans. There is only one thing that Ps me off worse than some dumb kid denigrating a veteran. Stolen Valor, those who claim they served but never did as well as those who claim some BS PTSD yet were never in any kind of combat. I am a Vietnam era veteran but never did see any combat. I am also entitled to the VA health services but I rarely ever use them simply because I see so many others there who really do need those services more than me. I get my eyes examined and don't even take the glasses, just the prescription and buy my own. Some day they will give me hearing aids but only if I can't get them from medicare and my supplemental insurance.

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I agree with GaryL...I see guys that were Air Force Cops, who worked as paper shufflers and in the Armory....never saw squat as far as combat, and get 100% disability for PTSD....while their time in country was stressful, they were not in the jungle, I usually call BS on most of them....but who am I to say? I know one thing in my tour at Nha Trang working day shift Law Enforcement we got rocket attacks on several occasion, but I never felt real danger...then on my tour at Saigon[Tan Son Nhut} working Security ...we got hit several times ... while I was working base towers ..again the only time I really felt threatened in those were during the Gawd Damn Lightning Storms...the towers were metal and a couple of guys did get fried in them at other bases...however, no way in Hell do I deserve anymore than I got/am getting...paid through college for 6 years, and the times I use the VA Medical Facility, where I still pay a co~pay for some things...

I don't expect or want a full ride through life for 4 years of service and 2 in Vietnam....but I don't expect to catch a load of crap from people that had connections or jumped ship to Canada, or some damn snot nosed 16 year old that doesn't have a life's clue either...

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What chaps my A**, is for the guys who do have problems with injuries, PTSD and more, is that there is currently up to a 7 year wait to get benefits. Sheeeet, why bother, I won't make it that long!! But sure could use the help now!!
 

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my uncle is on that wall.

i do find it ironic that trump would sign that act.

tony,
i think your thoughts are very true. while there were those that could get out, many more were serving, not the 1% today.

i really believe mandatory service, for all, to our country is something that would really help in a variety of ways. it would not have to be exclusively military service, but could include hospitals, education or maintenance. something that would give back to our country and give perspective and skills to those serving.
 

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i really believe mandatory service, for all, to our country is something that would really help in a variety of ways. it would not have to be exclusively military service, but could include hospitals, education or maintenance. something that would give back to our country and give perspective and skills to those serving.
YES! and if run without politically correctness it would teach those serving, respect, responsibility, work ethic, and consequences of their actions...the stuff we learned and has served us well.
 
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