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Back in November, I acquired a used 2006 TW200 from a Craigslist ad. It quit running a few days after I got it home. After troubleshooting it with the help of the knowledge available on this forum, I decided that I was stumped and needed professional help with it. I contacted a local independent shop to have a look at it. A long story and almost $500.00 dollars later it was repaired. The cam sprocket, collar, timing chain, and cam had to be replaced. The original cam sprocket had cracks through it in several places. They also changed the oil in it and adjusted the valves. Earlier today while riding it I hear an intermittent screeching sound like a car belt might make. The bike then proceeds to shut down when I pull in the clutch. It refuses to crank anymore. I checked on the site here and have seen similar versions of this happen to other people. I pulled the oil filter that the shop installed and it does not have the openings! I am not having good luck getting into this hobby of riding motorcycles. I have doubts about the shop owning up to this. I do not know the extent of the damage or how much it will cost me to fix this at this point. I kind of wonder if the little bike is worth it. Have any of you been in a similar predicament? If so, how did you handle it? Either way, thanks for any input.
 

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When did the shop finish their work? It seems like they would have little to argue about if it had only been a few weeks. Is there any record of how many miles were on the bike when they fixed it compared to now? Just searching for ways you can defend your point to the shop if needed.

Sorry for the bad luck. It seems like the filter distributer would need to pay for the repairs.
 

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If your relationship with the repair shop is still amicable, and you explain the KNOWN AND DOCUMENTED filter issue, then they should help you.
I would go in with all the paperwork in order and explain that it isn't necessarily the shop's fault, and could they assist you in gaining a repair from the filter people.

If your relationship with the shop is not amicable and in good standing, then I would seek assistance from another shop, realizing that you would have to pay for the repairs and then seek repayment from the filter people or perhaps, the original repair shop.

If the noise did not happen too many times, or was not too loud, then I would replace the filter with the correct filter, make sure the oil is flowing, and carefully run it for a while to see if it is OK. The severity and frequency of the noise would be the basis of my decision. Don't know how many engines you've heard, so there might be a gamble there.

I wish you luck.
 

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Did the shop change the filter when they changed the oil, or could the bad filter have been the cause of both your original and subsequent problems?:(
Good questions and a good reason to open the bleed bolt on the head after changing the filter or buying a used bike.

Sorry for your situation.

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The repairs were completed the first week in January. I will gather my paperwork and give it a go on Monday. I will also get another filter and see if I can get the bike to fire up. As of now, it will not start. Does anyone know what it normally takes to repair one of these bikes after an issue like this? Thanks for the input.
 

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Not sure what would cause the cam's timing sprocket to crack in many places nor necessitate subsequent replacement of timing chain, collar and camshaft...other than giving the shop an opportunity to sale some marked up parts and the labor required to install them. I know, that sounds cynical. But did they explain what it was that they think caused the bike to "quit running after a few days"? Sure a bunch of parts were replaced but something caused the initial quit running issue. Just a poor state of tune from previous owner's neglect that was serendipitously cured by the shop mechanic's efforts?
But the part damage is befuddling. Really severe cam bushing wear? Could that be something that permitted chain and sprocket to smack into head or otherwise get damaged? Normal wear for a 2006 TW?
 

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Try removing spark plug, adding Marvil Mystery Oil (or any other oil, that was just a shameless plug for Marvil) and seeing if engine can be turned over by hand. No plug means no compression so you should really get some tactile feed back if you use a socket on either the cam timing gear sprocket's nut or the equivalent nut on the crankshaft. Both are accessible behind covers on left side of engine. Crankshaft nut is maybe easiest to get to if you have a big washer to put in the grove and unscrew the small ~50mm plastic cover. Otherwise the cam sprocket cover comes off quickly with a re-usable o-ring gasket.
If turning engine in nuetral, in the normal direction of travel, feels "free" then good news. A little screeching could be from dry valve follower, rocker, cam areas, etc. Then removing valve covers and squirting in some more oil might help replace oil lost during the bad oil filter episode. I would then try once again to hand turn over engine several revolution or more listening and feeling for ugliness. If all seems "clunk-free" then I would try using starter motor to spin things even more after first buttoning up all the open covers. This should circulate fresh oil while you listen for any anomalous noises, screeches, vibrations, grand map seizures, etc.
Finally I would then re-install the spark plug and try to fire the bike.

Note: This was just an attempt to evaluate and re-start the bike. Oil starvation due to incorrect oil filter can also lead to repeating the same parts list you've already been through.:( At least the shop would know what to be replaced again.
 

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The repairs were completed the first week in January. I will gather my paperwork and give it a go on Monday. I will also get another filter and see if I can get the bike to fire up. As of now, it will not start. Does anyone know what it normally takes to repair one of these bikes after an issue like this? Thanks for the input.
The less parts changing and attempts to repair that you do, the better. The incorrect filter isn't causing it to not 'fire up'. The incorrect filter is causing a lack of lubrication to the top end. If it screeched and bound up, the damage is likely already done. A new oil filter isn't going to change anything. It's possible that it didn't 'destroy' anything too. It may have just got hot enough that it seized up and after cooling, it will restart.
Doubtful, but I had a Honda 125m that spent close to a year in jam jars while I saved enough money to buy a new case half. Being a kid, nobody ever told me to use a lint-free cloth, so the first run out, I was wailing along a dirt road 'right to the slats' and the oil screen was plugged with lint and it bound up solid...couldn't even pull the starter cord. I sat there a while and it cooled down and I restarted it and drove it home, cleaned the screen, and it lived a full and happy life.
So....you MIGHT be able to restart it, put the right filter in it and drive it for years. But, on the slim chance that it does fire up and run fine, it will have taken a lot of life out of it, so you'd have to decide if you're going to ride it as is, or try to get the dealership to come good. If you're going after the dealer, leave everything alone.
 

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"couldn't even pull the starter cord" - that tends to date Fishhguy, doesn't it? I won't admit to how old I am.;)
Good observations r.e. long term reliability as well as the don't touch advice before you are done with a claim with the independant repair shop that installed the incorrect oil filter.
 

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The invoice shows a charge for an oil filter as part of the work. I even mentioned the need to ensure that a proper oil filter is installed when he told me that he had changed the oil as part of the service. He told me that the replacement filter exceeded the original part. He replaced the oil filter because the original was torn or at least that is what I was told. I appreciate the information and advice.
 

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"couldn't even pull the starter cord" - that tends to date Fishhguy, doesn't it? I won't admit to how old I am.;)
But don't forget there's a GCFishguy and a Fishguy. I never even checked available forum names when I signed up, I've been using GCFishguy for so long.
But still, yeah.....I might be old.

Of all the hell I put that old 125m through, nothing could kill it...crashed it, rolled it, sunk it....until one winter we cut a pair of cross-country skis down to about 3' long, moved the bindings, made a t-handle on the end of an old rope and spent a day hauling my buddy up and down the lake. People were actually getting a kick out of watching us so we took him home for a quick change of clothes, then resumed with him in nothing but a pair of Bermuda shorts, wool socks and the ski boots. If digital cameras and social media existed back then, we'd likely still be a household name.... Sometime during that day the white metal post that holds the string loaded arm that fits into the shift...drum (?) that holds it in a gear broke off the case half. I took that thing to more than one machine shop and there was nothing anybody could to with it.

Anyway...it sounds like you have a full set of legs to stand on. Now they have the opportunity to make a lifetime customer out of you and everybody you can spread the word to. Or, they can choose to throw you under the bus for a the sake of a couple hundred bucks (their cost, assuming it's the same general parts and repair that cost you $500) and lose you as a customer and everybody you can tell your story to forever. Best of luck to you!

Bad luck like that happens when you're fixing people's stuff...it's the law of averages. How they choose to deal with it is another story completely. In my years in car dealerships we crashed cars into each other in the parking lot, backed them out of bays without pumping the brakes back up because someone distracted you at the wrong moment, written them off on test drives, set them on fire, and dropped them off hoists.
 

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I was in the same situation a year ago. But no dealer to blame just s previous owner. So needless to say I was stuck fixing it with the help of forum members. If you're interested in what it usually takes to fix, do a search for threads started by me. I tried to take lots of pics of the process to help others when this happens
 

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I was in the same situation a year ago. But no dealer to blame just s previous owner. So needless to say I was stuck fixing it with the help of forum members. If you're interested in what it usually takes to fix, do a search for threads started by me. I tried to take lots of pics of the process to help others when this happens
I appreciate the help. I will definitely check out the resources available through this forum. I have already used them previously to rebuild and clean my carburetor. There seems to be instructions for almost anything regarding these bikes on here. I am also sorry to hear that you got stuck like that on your bike.
 

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So what did the shop say???
 
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