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Love 'em, hate 'em or ignore 'em...but they are here!

Honda has an electric MX prototype in testing, soon to be entered in heads-up competition with internal combustion bikes.

I guess you would call this new electric a play-trailie:
[video]https://www.cycleworld.com/2018-cake-kalk-limited-edition-first-ride-review?utm_source=internal[/video]
It's goofy looking and way too expensive, but watch the vid with an open mind...these things have major potential!
As the technology continues to progress and sales & competition increase, the prices should come down as the bikes get better.
There are already serious electric vehicles in many types of car racing and electric cars & bikes are competing at Bonneville, Pikes Peak Hill Climb and drag racing.
Indy Car & F1 are looking at electric divisions.
Harley has a new electric that doesn't look half-bad...if you can imagine such a thing!





ZERO FX (almost a dual sport) ZERO, one of the best.



 

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I've looked at the Zero bikes quite a bit and if I had a lot of extra money I'd buy one but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Doesn't seem practical for long trips but just for daily riding would be pretty cool.
 

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They are quick little bastards, I know that!
 

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They are quick little bastards, I know that!
I don't care how quick they are, I'm not these days. I've had other electric vehicles and the I'm not going to make it back charge is low fear is real and justified YMMV.

Long live internal combustion and loud a$$ pipes!

I was born that way! (some pop song I heard at the mall LOL)
 

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The one that builds dirt bikes went out of business. Manufactures are pushing electric because of pressure from environmentalist. They don't sell or if they do it is at a loss. All this electric stuff is just to make some people "feel good". If you noticed, it went from "global warming" to "climate change" when it was discovered there was not going to be any warming. It really takes more energy to produce electric than internal combustion vehicles. The earth has been here for a long time. It has gone through many changes. It will keep on changing with or without us. Oil has given us so many good things that many people don't realize. The main one is our freedom. We can (at any time) be anywhere we want within minutes/hours. Our freedom and safety are based on the internal combustion. Just think about that a minute. I will not go electric until there is no more oil. Which is looking like a long time. I like to hear the sound of my engine. I am amazed at how well it works. That it works at all is amazing! Long live the internal combustion engine.
 

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Not going to get into debates about environment or politics here.

But I am excited about electric bikes and cars. Range is constantly improving as is quicker and quicker charge times. Within my life time I feel an electric will be far far superior to the ICE of today.

Electric is simpler, lower maintenance, fewer moving parts and offers better power and insane torque. Honestly once range charge times, and cost approach that of the ICE powered bikes there will be little to no reason to truly opt for a ice powered machine.

I have wanted a zero FX as a commuter for a while and if I had the $$$$ I might have even pulled the trigger on one but until I do I will continue to keep watching in anticipation of the great strides in electric advancements in anticipation of there future dominance.

Oh and this is from a guy who make a living as a diesel mechanic. I love gasoline and diesel and will always enjoy tinkering with such. But to refuse facts of advantages of electric would be limiting and closed minded.

I think the ICE powered stuff will continue to be enjoyed long into the future much like the horses are enjoyed today despite being replaced in main stream by the ICE many many years ago.
 

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I am all for electric MX bikes, but one of the ONLY things that help us live through each ride on the road... is noise.

People in cars (me included) don't always see bikers, but we sure know when there is a big loud noise coming from behind. I don't want to give that up... in my opinion its the biggest problem with road-going electric vehicles in general.
 

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I am all for electric MX bikes, but one of the ONLY things that help us live through each ride on the road... is noise.

People in cars (me included) don't always see bikers, but we sure know when there is a big loud noise coming from behind. I don't want to give that up... in my opinion its the biggest problem with road-going electric vehicles in general.
Hey Titan, I hear ya! (No pun intended)

I've been joking about this for years, ever since electrics started being talked about, and people bitching about it, me included. Now I hear at least one aftermarket company is doing it!
It's an electronic device that can produce, amplify and modulate various internal combustion sounds through hidden external speakers.
It can simulate a big-bore V-8 with "pipes", running through the gears of a 5/6 speed box, chirping the tires, or a full-bore burn out!
Versions with other engine type sounds can't be far behind.

For my T-Dub I want the big-bore, blown, alky-burning, NOS-boosted, Harley Dee top fuel drag-bike version.
Then go down on 6th St. in Amarillo, pull up in amongst 'em at a Harley bar, and shatter all their headlight bulbs!

Wish I could get exclusive distribution rights. I'd make a fortune...if the Harley Bros hadn't killed me first!
 

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More info please or a link... :p

Just today, I was sitting at a light on the scooter and "Billy Bad Ass" on his Harley pulled up besides me. I said "Hey, how ya doin bro?" like I do to everybody, and he smirked at me and looked away like I was invisible. I'm thinking...OK you "*&%#@" :playful: Ever got blown away by a fat dude on a scooter?" :laughing7:
As the light got close to changing, he wraps it up a couple times to let me know he was the king of the road... I think... I gotta teach this ol butthead a lesson. So when it changed, he "try's" to take off like a bandit, I even let him get ahead a foot or two, then, I twist the throttle and hold it wide open. I'm 10 feet in the lead before we clear the intersection and then I'm gone. He literally just gave up and fell way way way behind. I'm pretty sure he was embarrassed and didn't want to pull up along side me again. :p I would have loved to have a big Harley sound coming from under my scoot. B)

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Hey Titan, I hear ya! (No pun intended)

I've been joking about this for years, ever since electrics started being talked about, and people bitching about it, me included. Now I hear at least one aftermarket company is doing it!
It's an electronic device that can produce, amplify and modulate various internal combustion sounds through hidden external speakers.
It can simulate a big-bore V-8 with "pipes", running through the gears of a 5/6 speed box, chirping the tires, or a full-bore burn out!
Versions with other engine type sounds can't be far behind.

For my T-Dub I want the big-bore, blown, alky-burning, NOS-boosted, Harley Dee top fuel drag-bike version.
Then go down on 6th St. in Amarillo, pull up in amongst 'em at a Harley bar, and shatter all their headlight bulbs!

Wish I could get exclusive distribution rights. I'd make a fortune...if the Harley Bros hadn't killed me first!
You know that BMW had to do this to the inside of some of their cars? The cars were so quite on the inside the drivers could not here the engine when they punched it. BMW created engine sounds that played through the speakers to give the drivers a sense of the engine working.

The electrics will have to do it on the outside. Really for the safety of others. I would tune mine to sound idle like a Harley at idle, accelerate like a RD350, and down-shift like a Kenworth with a jake-brake. LOL
 

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"I think the ICE powered stuff will continue to be enjoyed long into the future much like the horses are enjoyed today despite being replaced in main stream by the ICE many many years ago."

Excellent analogy Mike.

Does anyone out there drive an electric vehicle? Just curious what the cost would be using EV charging stations to travel vs a gasoline powered vehicle.
 

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Tommy: "More info please or a link... "
Sorry, Bro...it's been a couple of months or so and I don't remember. Maybe you could Google it up?
Damn "CRS"!

Apolloha: "You know that BMW had to do this to the inside of some of their cars? The cars were so quite on the inside the drivers could not here the engine when they punched it. BMW created engine sounds that played through the speakers to give the drivers a sense of the engine working."
Damn Germans stole my invention!
Surely they're not still PO'd about that "unpleasantness" in Europe back in the 40's...?
 

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Tiny bear well said.

All the guys talking about noise protecting them really?

With 5 g on the way pretty soon all vehicles will be interconnected. They will be able to move on the road ways like a hive. Anyone seen the YouTube videos of drones flying in mass like schools of fish or birds in groups. Could there be technical glitches or hacks likely but safety will go up exponentially. Of course the “driving experience will cease you will be transported from place to place. Never less I am sure you’ll still see person operated vehicles for recreation.

Little Tommy great story and awesome to see you hanging out.

If anyone has read my other posts about electric stuff knows I am a big proponent. And yes the battery tech is on the way. The “solid state lithium” will be 4 times energy dense and have the ability for quick charge. And this is only one promising battery tech. As these techs get ramped up the price will drop and the cost will be competitive. Compare it to the evolution of computer memory etc.

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Not going to get into debates about environment or politics here.

But I am excited about electric bikes and cars. Range is constantly improving as is quicker and quicker charge times. Within my life time I feel an electric will be far far superior to the ICE of today.

Electric is simpler, lower maintenance, fewer moving parts and offers better power and insane torque. Honestly once range charge times, and cost approach that of the ICE powered bikes there will be little to no reason to truly opt for a ice powered machine.

I have wanted a zero FX as a commuter for a while and if I had the $$$$ I might have even pulled the trigger on one but until I do I will continue to keep watching in anticipation of the great strides in electric advancements in anticipation of there future dominance.

Oh and this is from a guy who make a living as a diesel mechanic. I love gasoline and diesel and will always enjoy tinkering with such. But to refuse facts of advantages of electric would be limiting and closed minded.

I think the ICE powered stuff will continue to be enjoyed long into the future much like the horses are enjoyed today despite being replaced in main stream by the ICE many many years ago.
 

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I check to see that my friends are alright once in a while... ;)

Love ya bro, I think of you and pray for you all the time.

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Tiny ear well said.

All the guys talking about noise protecting them really?

With 5 g on the way pretty soon all vehicles will be interconnected. They will be able to move on the road ways like a hive. Anyone seen the YouTube videos of drones flying in mass like schools of fish or birds in groups. Could there be technical glitches or hacks likely but safety will go up exponentially. Of course the “driving experience will cease you will be transported from place to place. Never less I am sure you’ll still see person operated vehicles for recreation.

Little Tommy great story and awesome to see you hanging out.

If anyone has read my other posts about electric stuff knows I am a big proponent. And yes the battery tech is on the way. The “solid state lithium” will be 4 times energy dense and have the ability for quick charge. And this is only one promising battery tech. As these techs get ramped up the price will drop and the cost will be competitive. Compared to computer memory etc.

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All posts interesting, I wonder what is going to happen when these bikes have run out of manufacturers warranty ? and they start to encounter issues with the electric high power side ?
I don’t know how much electrical output these bikes put out as in regarding amps/ volts , but I do know that the average , European car ev ( electric vehicle ) output is 300-800 volts and that will kill you if it’s not made safe before working on them ? Another thing to consider also is that electric vehicles have capacitors that also need to be discharged before working on them .
The electric vehicle/ hybrid technology is here , but working on these requires the use of insulated tools ( not cheap, as they are iso rated safe to use)
i would imagine most people will have to have these repaired by auth,d electric techs as the cost of tools and safety out ways being “ fried”
The other thing to consider is the re sale value ? ( battery packs) we all know that battery hand tools are good but when the battery fails it’s often cheaper to renew unit and battery ! another thing to consider is are the bikes going to have same ev plug in charge ports as cars do ??? there are so many cons compared to pros especially for bikes at moment, but time will tell ! My view at this time is that for what it would cost to buy a electric bike I could buy a lot of fuel for my ICE vehicles , so are they really cost effective?
 
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