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Hey all,
I am in need of some help. I just bought 2) TW200 bikes in Arizona and brought them into California.
After 1 1/2 I finally got an appointment with the DMV and was told I could not register these in California because of
emissions. I was told guy at DMV if the bikes would have had over 7500 miles they would of allowed them.
I told him they were 30 years old, doesn't that count for something.
Anyone else have an issue with California DMV or know how to get around this?
Does anyone know the difference between a California bike and non California bike?
 

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Hi Gunny,

Sorry to hear of your problems.

Last question first. If your bikes have an emissions canister mounted on the right side of the frame downtube underneath the fuel tank, they are California bikes. No canister, they are 49 state bikes.

Did you physically take these bikes to DMV for verification, or submit any paperwork to DMV? If not, I may be able to offer some hope.

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California is a stinker on their DMV laws. Basically, if it's got less than 7,500 miles on it, they suspect you are trying to bypass their emissions laws as well as taxes. Since you already discovered this via the DMV themselves, most likely they now have you on their records of doing so. You could have spun the odo a bit to make them appear to be over the 7,500 mile minimum, but it's a crap shoot now. You also might be able to get a signed afidavit from the seller that the odo is not accurate, but that's asking him to commit perjury and he may not wish to do that.

You can still register them in CA as off road and get a OHV sitcker for them.
 

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Is it possible to add the canister to these bikes and make them California compliant? Wish i was aware of the 7500 mile law first, would have run the odometer. The guy who inspected told me he "HAD" to report this,
I think he could have gave me back the paperwork and said if these had 7500 miles they would have passed.
 

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I recently bought a TW in California that I will be registering in Oregon where I live. I'd like to remove the canister because it is not required. If I understood how to remove it to make it function as a 49 state bike, I would and send you the canister to make it legal for you.

That is one of the many reasons I no longer live in my home state of California!
 

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I recently bought a TW in California that I will be registering in Oregon where I live. I'd like to remove the canister because it is not required. If I understood how to remove it to make it function as a 49 state bike, I would and send you the canister to make it legal for you.
Generous offer - can anyone help Aspen out ?
 

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Had a sniff around - Apparently it only takes the vapour from the tank into the carb boot ……………

Re: Ca model evaporation canister removal! - Yamaha TW200 Trailway Discussion Forum

“I took mine off just to do it. Cap the port on the carb, and run a line from the port on the tank down where the other vent hoses are, otherwise it'll vapor lock on you”

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So removing it is easy enough – just junk the canister - blank off the carb, and re-run the hose from the tank.

The problems start when you come to mount the canister on a bike not meant to have one.

For a start, you won’t have the frame mount for the can (though you could bodge it)

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Then there’s the additional tank vent – then there’s the carb itself (which I assume is a slightly different model)

All things are “possible” – but my first question would be - “Any chance you could get out of moving to California” ? ……………….
 

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It is not as simple as just slapping on an emissions canister. The bike's VIN number will also identify it as either a California or a 49 state bike. The DMV will also look for a sticker indicating compliance with the California emissions regulations.

If you had not already had these bikes inspected, I could offer you a speedometer that has 11,xxx miles on it that you could install for the DMV verification. At this point, here are a couple of options that you have:

1) I could send you my speedometer and you could return to (a different?) DMV (one bike at a time) and hope that your bikes have not already been flagged.

2) If your bikes are indeed over 20 years old, you could go back to DMV and ask to talk to a supervisor. Explain that these are clearly "used", and not "new" bikes, even though they may have less than 7,500 miles. You may get lucky and find a "reasonable" DMV employee who may be able to understand this situation and be willing to help you out of this bind.

Best of luck and let me know if you need my speedometer. Where in California are you located?

Brian
 

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Isn't there a box on your reg. app. or bill of sale that say the odometer went around? Check it off. On 30 year old bikes it is believable.
 

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Just register it in AZ or OR for now. When that reg is up, if you don't have 7500 miles yet, do like the others said and spin the odo forward and make 7500, then try again.

Hell I have an old TW speedo from my '92 (no trip meter) that has I think 6500 on it; I'll send it to you if you think it'd help. I'll never use it again.
 

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Is it possible to add the canister to these bikes and make them California compliant? Wish i was aware of the 7500 mile law first, would have run the odometer. The guy who inspected told me he "HAD" to report this,
I think he could have gave me back the paperwork and said if these had 7500 miles they would have passed.
I hate to be the turd in the punch bowl, but once the DMV has the entered the registration information into the CA system as an attempted CA entry under 7,500 miles, they can never be brought into CA - EVER! At least that is what they do with auto's. Ask me how I know...

Bought a Mercedes Benz Sprinter Motorhome on eBay that was registered the first year Diesel Sprinters were approved for sale in CA, from CO. It had about 2,500 miles on it from going from show to show, but was actually new. Flew out to CO and picked it up. The dealer did the paper work as used "to make my life easy" bringing a diesel into CA. Got to the CA DMV and guess what? Even know the motorhome was registered in the proper year, the chassis was actually the prior year, thus the motor was not a CA legal motor. No big deal, the CO dealer sold it as used so it doesn't matter anymore, right? Think again...

CA only considers it used if it has 7,500 miles on it. Because this non-CA legal Diesel Sprinter only had 2,500 miles on it, CA still considers it new. The CA DMV told me if it had 7,500 miles on it I could bring it in, but because I "tried" to bring it into CA with less than 7,500 the DMV will now flag this motorhome's VIN in their system as "Never to be registered in CA - EVER!"

I think the dealer knew it was going to be an issue, so he did the sale as used, but didn't know about the 7,500 requirement (or did and just didn't want to lose the sale?). The DMV told me to take it back to the CO dealer and get my money back ASAP. He has to take it back, because he knew he was selling it illegally to be registered in CA. That's what I did and the dealer stepped up. I lost about $1,000 on the plane ticket and fuel, but got a weeks vacation out of it on my way home. I was just happy to get out from under the issue quickly.

Now I can't be sure the DMV system is good enough to catch an issue like this many years later, but I will never buy any vehicle that isn't already CA legal with current plates again. It's just not worth the hassle.

As a side note: I've heard of others getting great buys on a batch on Forestry Service low mileage non-CA legal TW200's that had this same issue. I guess it's "buyer beware" when it comes to CA smog laws. The best thing to do is unload them in AZ, NV or OR and buy CA ones. Sorry for the bad news. I wouldn't risk playing games to get them registered for street use in CA. Just my 2-cents.
 

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If that's true, about never being able to reg a vehicle in CA again just because you tried too early, that's the most f'd up thing I've ever heard. Not saying it's not true; that'd be typical of CA and their BS "CARB" agency. It's time to write some letters about that.
 

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Oh yeah, and here's the kicker... CA Forestry Service doesn't have to abide by the CA CARB laws on their purchases. Also heard a friend of my brother in NorCal that bought a CA Forestry Service truck at auction for a great price. DMV said no way this can be registered in CA for civilian use. Apparently they can make bulk purchases for CA Government outside the CARB system. What's up with that? It's a crazy world in the Republic of CA!
 

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It doesn't look like there is any hope even if you convert them to meet CA CARB, because the bike will not have the "required" CA Emmissions Label. I guess the question to ask them is if you convert them (if they can be converted - my Sprinter Motorhome could not be, because the qualifying engine had a completely different cylinder head design), is once it is converted and passes do they "issue" you a "CA Emmissions Label?"

This is from the CA DMV Motorcycle Registration Packet PDF file I have on my computer:

If the motorcycle is a... ---------------------------------then the motorcycle...
1977 or older year model-----------------------------------can be converted to on-highway or dual registration

1978 and newer year model with an engine less
than 50cc

1978 and newer year model with an engine 50cc
and larger and an emission label indicating that it
complies with U.S. EPA and/or California
regulations for on-highway use

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1978 and newer year model with an engine 50cc-------cannot be converted to onhighway
and larger and no emission label---------------------------or dual registration. The vehicle does

1978 and newer year model with an emission-----------not qualify on-highway use.
label indicating off-road or off-highway

Do a Google search for this PDF file and reference page 13-6, Section 13.050

Hope this helps in your research. Good luck.
 

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Wow, thanks for all of the information and offers to help. What I have found out is the local DMV office notified DMV of the bikes and the non California emissions.
I have a friend in Nevada and I thought about registering them there and waiting about a year and then bring them back in with over 7500 miles on them, but I think
you guys are right and they won't ever let them in now, I think this prevents people from doing this! This law is flawed for sure, 30 years old, not trying to get around tax laws, idiots.
DMV said they would green sticker them for off road use only but as I explained to DMV I bought dual purpose bikes so I could ride them from the campground to the off road
areas. Wish I would have known about the law before I took them in or they would of had over 7500 miles on them.
Thanks again for all of the suggestions and offers, but I think I should sell out of state and buy again. The sad part is parts have been coming in to start cleaning up the bikes.
 

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Wow, thanks for all of the information and offers to help. What I have found out is the local DMV office notified DMV of the bikes and the non California emissions.
I have a friend in Nevada and I thought about registering them there and waiting about a year and then bring them back in with over 7500 miles on them, but I think
you guys are right and they won't ever let them in now, I think this prevents people from doing this! This law is flawed for sure, 30 years old, not trying to get around tax laws, idiots.
DMV said they would green sticker them for off road use only but as I explained to DMV I bought dual purpose bikes so I could ride them from the campground to the off road
areas. Wish I would have known about the law before I took them in or they would of had over 7500 miles on them.
Thanks again for all of the suggestions and offers, but I think I should sell out of state and buy again. The sad part is parts have been coming in to start cleaning up the bikes.

Luckily, those ordered parts will fit the next one....:)
 
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