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My first ride in the sand with my new SR241 front tire and my Ceros ATV rear tire.

Couple quick thoughts since the tire changes.

Pavement: With my stock front and Ceros rear tire, I felt like I had to push the TW over into a turn. It was nothing difficult and I became adjusted to this. I thought the cause of this was because of a flatter profile of the Ceros over the stock rear. Then I put the SR241 on. Now it rolls and turns effortlessly on pavement. Guess the issue was the stock front tire and not the Ceros.

Two Track Dirt: With the stock front/Ceros rear combo, the bike would grab and flick the bike when going over some mild ruts. This has almost completely gone away after I put on the SR241. I will admit I need to ride many more miles off-road to validate this finding. Much confidence now. Guess the issue was the stock front tire.

Sand: The Ceros is great. It gets me up places I've never been able to in the past. Love it! SR241: While I know I need more miles of riding to get the full perspective, the fact I wasn't even thinking or concerned with riding in the sand means it must have worked well. With the stock front I had to pay more attention to the front tire when riding in any depth of sand. On this day I didn't have anything which caused me to direct my thoughts to the front tire. Guess the issue was the stock front tire!

The front tire was mainly a non-factor as I was mostly climbing the sand hills and not riding in flat sand.


However, the Ceros tire hooked up very well and I was able to make it up hills I've previously ridden easier, and attempt new hills I've either failed or first time up.


Some of you folks who've been around the forum for a while know some of my past attempts with the stock tires. Lets just say there were some "moments".


I did do a little 2 tracking on the way to the Play Area.


Had to reroute a time or two to avoid some rain showers


With the Ceros on the rear, I could tell there was a huge improvement in uphill traction. I was able to easily climb some hill I've previously barely made it up using the stock tires


And to my surprise I was able to make it up some new hills I was afraid of trying in the past and one hill I failed with the stocker.


My next test will have to be at the Weiser Sand Dunes where I can really put the test to the new SR241 in deeper flatter sand.


 

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Upon seeing "Duel in the Sand" I envisioned Mrs Admiral and the big guy astride their TWs having at each other with jousting lances.:p
Little did I know it would be such a good tire review accompanied by mighty pretty pictures and a great demonstration video. Viewers can really tell when the Cerros starts slipping on the really steep stuff. The stock TrailWing often will founder, digging it's own grave in these conditions while the Cerros's seems to continue to make forward progress. Neat.
Got to admit soil moisture looked perfect. I imagine that, along with Georgie the Wonder Dog on the back, helped with traction.;)

P.S. - the new tire combination with extended fuel range is gonna be killer in Moab2017. I'm just worried we'll all have a hard time keeping up with Lori & Wilbur.
 

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Upon seeing "Duel in the Sand" I envisioned Mrs Admiral and the big guy astride their TWs having at each other with jousting lances.:p
Little did I know it would be such a good tire review accompanied by mighty pretty pictures and a great demonstration video. Viewers can really tell when the Cerros starts slipping on the really steep stuff. The stock TrailWing often will founder, digging it's own grave in these conditions while the Cerros's seems to continue to make forward progress. Neat.
Got to admit soil moisture looked perfect. I imagine that, along with Georgie the Wonder Dog on the back, helped with traction.;)

P.S. - the new tire combination with extended fuel range is gonna be killer in Moab2017. I'm just worried we'll all have a hard time keeping up with Lori & Wilbur.
Yeah, the TW34 would eventually spin-to-dig a hole. Ceros breaks into a spin but with enough traction to continue forward. While it would have been possible to gain a little more forward momentum if I would have started the hills at a faster speed, it's nice to know what it will do at the slower speed I started.

Hard to explain, but generally the sand was more firm with recent rains but it didn't take much so experience the loose stuff. This by far was the best I've ever ridden through the bobsled run. Both tires hooked up pretty well. In the past the stock front would push and slide and stock rear would spin more than grab. Would still make it but it was much easier. In one steep climb just after the bobsled run I went up easily where a couple years ago I struggled and got bucked off that one time.

No Georgie for traction anymore. Too hard on her.
 

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He had a "death wish" lol. What pressure did you run?
 

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Ahh, For the sand...(sand being my thing as it were) the Duro has been my Angel among the impossible.

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Unstoppable.


By the way - what are those side gas tank bags that you have there??? MIGHTY handy I say! I do like those!!!!!
 

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Ahh, For the sand...(sand being my thing as it were) the Duro has been my Angel among the impossible.

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Unstoppable.


By the way - what are those side gas tank bags that you have there??? MIGHTY handy I say! I do like those!!!!!
I've had them so long I do not remember what brand they are. When I googled "Mad Dog ATV Tank Bag" I got this in the search which looks darn near the same. NEW ATV Logic Motorcycle Tank Bag BLACK | eBay



They are pretty beat up as I'm pretty hard on tank bags by getting them ripped at by brush, spilling gas on them etc. When I get home I'll look to see if there is a brand name tag on them anymore. They are completely worn out and need to be replaced. You can't see it in the pictures, but I've got rips & holes repaired with zipties. Works so I keep using them!
 

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He had a "death wish" lol. What pressure did you run?
Both tires are at 10 psi. for off-road.

I bump the psi to about 18 in each when on pavement. When I ride a combo pavement/off-road I'm somewhere in-between. 12-15 psi (ish).
 

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After ALL these years you only JUST changed out the OEM front ????!!!! :eek::p
The short answer is I was wearing out the original front tire before I swapped on my 2015 TW, so they are about 1-1/2 years old. The knobs have finally started to cup a little so I decided to change it during some downtime due to rain.

However, on my original TW and now on Mrs. Admiral's TW I have used SR244's for a few years. Wore out the 5.10x18 SR44 and replaced it with a 4.60x18 SR244 I bought from Mel at Moab 2015.

I have a new on the rim stock front I will use on pavement and forest service roads rides and a spare stock grewen gave me which I will use for the same purpose. The only surface I hate the stock front tire is in sand. Well, despite what you think I hate riding in mud no matter what tire I have on. Really I do!:p
 

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Thanks Admiral great report. I look forward to hearing more feed back after you ride on it more. Having someone with experience on all three front tires including two sizes of one type is invaluable. I just chose the 241 because of the positive reviews. I have no experience with the 244's so was looking forward to your comparisons. I was quite torn about which front tire to get between the 244 and 241. The more aggressive tred pattern of the 244 makes it look like it would be better for off road and that is what most of our riding will be. It turns out my wife and I are doing much more pavement rides than I expected. I just knew I needed to change out the stock front right away after riding with it for a while. Any way I am not sure why you are sticking with the stock front tire for pavement and forest service roads when the 241 is superior on those surfaces IMO and quite low cost. I can see why you would want to limit pavement with a 244. As regards to the wear factor, I am guessing, but due to the design with closer spaced lugs I think a 241 will wear quite well on the pavement. It seems like the greater contact area should spread out the wear making them last longer. Some people are calling the 241 a "trials" tire probably because of the trials style tred pattern, but the tire actually says "trail" tire and that is what it is designed for. Trials tires have really soft rubber for the work they do. I don't believe the rubber is that soft on this tire for trail use so that should make it wear well too. Any way now you guys have me intrigued about ATV tires for the rear.
 

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@Tweaker.

I'm just gonna wear the stocker out like a rented mule. I'm not afraid of this tire as some folks are. I know it's limitations. Sucks in sand & mud, ok everywhere else within its limitations. I wouldn't recommend this tire to anyone but if one feels comfortable enough to wear it out, go ahead and do so.

I agree, part of why some of us may call the 241 a trial tire is because it looks like a trials tire. Another reason is some of the website stores like RockyMtnATV/MC call it a trials tire. Shinko website calls it a trail tire. Other website stores call it a dual-sport tire. I can see where we can get confused on what to call it. I too hope it wears well.

I got the 241 because of the favorable reviews by our forum members. I'll still need many miles in all conditions & surfaces to give a true comparison to a 244. I've always been happy with the 244. Even in the 244 camp, some don't like the 5.10 and some don't like the 4.60 on the TW. There is a difference but that difference didn't bother me. Some say the 244 5.10 steers slower. It probably does but I don't notice. I can pop the front end off the ground easier with the 4.60 but not sure if that's actually a good thing. Sometimes maybe, I don't know.

For real aggressive off-road I've been intrigued with the Kenda 760 but no need for now. On the way back home from the Parma Play Area, I rode the gravel road. My speed was around 40-50 mph and the 241 tire felt stable. Last time I rode with the 4.60 244 that tire seemed to wonder but not scary. I'll have to ride Mrs. Admiral's TW with the 244 4.60 to remind myself. I could ride the same gravel road with the stocker and it didn't bother me either.

I think anyone who is gonna ride a lot in sand will want to get an ATV tire either Duro or Ceros. I expected it to do well but was still extremely surprised at how well it actually does. It also does better in all off-road surfaces than the stocker. Much better in mud than the stock rear. Not sure in the snow, will tell you after this winter!:D

If one is not going to ride in sand or mud much, then the stock rear tire is just fine. I do however think the Duro or Ceros will give someone with less off-road experience some confidence. I think it makes up for some of our own inexperience and skill in off-road terrain with the emphasis in sand or loose soil.

Of course all of this will vary from rider to rider.
 

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Hey thanks again and I look forward to more feedback after more miles.
 

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...I have a new on the rim stock front I will use on pavement and forest service roads rides and a spare stock grewen gave me which I will use for the same purpose. ...
Well, since you seem to like them so much when I get my new 2017 next spring I'll send mine to you. I will NEVER ride that damn Death Wing again! :eek::p
 

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RockyTFS, you seem firm in your decision. I should have remembered to refrain from posting anything positive about the stock front tire. I forget folks are as passionate about tires as they are their oil preference! My bad! fpalm.gif
 

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RockyTFS, you seem firm in your decision. I should have remembered to refrain from posting anything positive about the stock front tire. I forget folks are as passionate about tires as they are their oil preference! My bad! View attachment 54561
I am running a 203 on the front at 23psi. It does dance around on gravel. Do not ride it in mud or sand. It is not wearing out very fast and I have the 241 I used in Moab
 
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