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While I now have an x-ring chain on order and coming tomorrow, I want to get some hard data on one of T-Dub's despised stock chains(my own). When I got the 2013 at the beginning of Aug. it had 2 miles on it and today at the beginning of the test 732. I have cleaned and lubed 3 times now and tightened for the 1st time today. Originally the bike came slightly tighter than spec.(no weight on bike, bike in neutral and total chain slack 35-60 mm. i.e. 1.38 to 2.36 inches.) I turned 1 click on adjusters and got 1.5 inches in value. and checked break pedal of course for approx. 1" free travel and axle nut back to 65 ftlbs. I am no fan of big mud or deep water, and I ride 75% hard top or light surface so that will have to be factored in. Will advise on my results over time.
 

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The stock chain on my bike seemed to require adjustment daily. I think I have adjusted the x-ring chain twice in about 6500 miles. I cleaned the stock chain religiously, because it was my first new bike. Can't remember the last time the x-ring was cleaned. If I had it to do over I would have thrown the stock chain in the trash from the start.
 

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I think I had my stock chain on from new to up to about 6000 miles. And still was only at # 4 or 5 on the snake. Eventually the chain was hard to adjust. Too tight on top and too loose on bottom. So I switched to an O-ring chain. I looked at the sprockets and they were still great so I left them on, front and back. I now have over 20,000 miles on that TW and still have the first set of sprockets on.
On my second TW I have 7800 miles on and also still original chain and sprocket. I know that everybody slams the chain but for me it worked fine. I will, however switch to an O-ring on the second bike soon, too. Does anybody else has the same experience with the original chain?
 

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Hi howardgene63: Yep, that's the response I have seen and received(you are litttletommys soulmate on this) and I'm not questioning it's limitations.. I know the stocker isn't much. But I like to see things for myself. I also like data. If I have to adjust every 200 miles say after 1 K, then it comes off immediately.
 

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Hi Peter: what kind of riding do you do? Just trying to get a picture. Also what kind of chain maintenance do you practice?
 

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The Admiral has been running an experiment regarding chain longevity for a while. It will be interesting to compare notes with his findings.

My TW has 3062 hard mostly back country miles on it. I have re-sprocketed to 14/55 for the type of riding I am doing. I have jumped the chain twice in the last 2 years. The last time it caused a slight fracture outward in the side case cover. I have a replacement chain(O-ring) and new sprockets for the front and rear and will make replacing them the first modification for my 2005.

I have read several posters remarks about chain maintenance and plan on following the protocol suggested by several who seem to be much more diligent regarding chain care than I have been over the last many years. My old standby approach to chain care has been to spray it with hydraulic transmission fluid whenever it started to get really dry. I never did break a chain but have had them to the point where I had to adjust every time I went riding.

After 55 years of riding various dirt bikes, it is possible that I am still educable.

Happy Trails All

Ron in Boise
 

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122 links if stock gears.
 

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Wash the chain in kerosine, soak over night in 140 wt gear oil from O'Reilly's. You have to remove the chain to do it right. Let it drip until it stops then wipe off the excess. It is messy but if you want chain longevity this will do it.

Do it every 300 to 350 miles OR after every dirt ride. My DID non o-ring chain has about 27K miles on it and according to stretch measurements it is just over half worn out.

Exciting picture I have posted before. It is a chain soaking in oil. You can see streaks of dirty oil / kerosine in the clean oil if you expand the picture.

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Hi Peter: what kind of riding do you do? Just trying to get a picture. Also what kind of chain maintenance do you practice?
Dogonit, I use my bikes as a daily commuter instead of my very thirsty Dodge Durango. So I do about 90% road and 10% off road. Clean the bike about every two weeks and that is when I also oil the chain. I use simple motor oil. Used to use graphite but for the past 2 years just motor oil. Have not adjusted the stock chain in probably 3000 miles on the second bike and only once on the other bike with the O-ring chain in about 14000 miles.
 

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My 2 cents on chain stuff: If youre chaiin is getting wet and submerging in mud and peat and silt its half life gets staggeringly shorter, as do the sprockets. The last oring chain I just replaced lasted less than 1000 miles, and I was adjusting it once or twice per ride toward the end. The sprockets were also toast and had bent and broken teeth aplenty. It appears that once the chain has stretched a bit, it starts to wear excessively on the sprockets. I dont do any lubing or cleaning on chains, just spray it with oil once in a while.
 

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my 2005 did not have many miles when I bought it. I hadn't had a chain bike in a long time, so I had to go over and remember chain maintenance. I cleaned mine up with engine degreaser and used a commercial chain lube. Up here we get gritty sand on the roads and you can see it on the chain. given my low amount of riding time, it will be quite awhile before I can assess how well the chain lasts. I did adjust it this summer when I went in for inspection. the shop owner adjusted it for free, but I'll keep an eye on it myself.
 

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Lessee, quart of kerosene and quart of oil dumped in the environment every 300-350 miles. From an environmental standpoint, open chains are a disaster. From a financial standpoint, open chains are expensive to maintain, and maintaining an open chain so that it lasts as long as a ringed chain will cost many times what a ringed chain costs. Considering the other parts that need to be replaced with a worn chain--sprockets, wheel sprocket bolt lock plates, side cover gasket, countershaft seals, perhaps the outboard bearing, oil, ..., did I miss anything? Ringed chains are my preference, but if you really like to do chain maintenance, pollute the environment with finite resources, and spend money unnecessarily, by all means, have a great time. After all, it's American Affluenza at its best! It's what we do, and why the rest of the world hates us (because they are poor and thus immune from the disease).
 

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Your point is well taken. I for one feel that if there were a lot less humans running around things would be better to. When I was born there was 2.5 billion inhabitants, now 7 plus and counting. Land keeps getting devoured by "development". I have for many years tried to stay at least a little ahead of that. However, I am a polluter. So, I can't take any high road, just my road.
Though as my initial post showed, this was more of a technical question than one of the benefit of an old style chain. As initially mentioned I will be putting on an X-chain which I feel is superior to the O-chain, but only after i have some data on the base chain.
 

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My stock chain last a bit over 3000 miles, ir broke and locked up the rear wheel to the extent I had to use a die grinder to get it off. Fortunately I was not going fastt when it locked up the rear wheel and killed the motor.
 

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For the record, my stock chain, like canyonlock's, jumped off the sprocket at 3,088 miles, it had been adjusted 4 times in it's short life. Scary, scary, scary, thank goodness it happened at low speed, I was making a left hand turn so, I was in the middle of an intersection when the bike came to an abrupt halt.
 

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My stock chain last a bit over 3000 miles, ir broke and locked up the rear wheel to the extent I had to use a die grinder to get it off. Fortunately I was not going fastt when it locked up the rear wheel and killed the motor.
For the record, my stock chain, like canyonlock's, jumped off the sprocket at 3,088 miles, it had been adjusted 4 times in it's short life. Scary, scary, scary, thank goodness it happened at low speed, I was making a left hand turn so, I was in the middle of an intersection when the bike came to an abrupt halt.
I am curious -- what shape were your chains in? Were the links stiff and difficult to bend? Or were they loose and the links easily flexed?
 

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Bought the 2014 new in March with 1 mile on it....Stock Everything still on it at 600 miles....some dirt, some lite mud, and plenty of gravel....but mostly pavement....one chain adjustment, 2 oil and one filter changes...hopefully a few more miles, maybe making 1000 before I park it in November or early December for the Winter...will then take "stock" of how the stock parts worked....so far however, I have not lubed the chain, and it's still on the tighter side of the "recommended" play....

Out and about TW 010.JPG

So, so far no complaints....and not being a tweaking sort when it comes to bikes, cars, trucks, snow blowers, and lawn mowers, that is the way I like it....:rolleyes:
 
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