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Now this is weird. I just Watched some videos on youtube about evolution. We started as Apes and mutated into what we are now. Man came from Africa is what I Know. Well Religion was starting around Way Before the Hebrews made a bible.
This African Religion was mainly Polytheistic. Many Gods for everything. When Man Started to travel outside of Africa Some Humans had Genetic changes. Now The science video wasn't specific on it, but THe mutations Gave us Different Skin color and other Genetic change factors where They migrated to.. This was the first start of "Race". The People in Africa who stayed kept there Big frame and black skin for the hot weather. there Frame and Organs stayed the same since there were more food to hunt and eat. Than When you got further up north mutations occurred where Humans got smaller. Skin became lighter Organs and frame Shrinked because it was more efficient on food consumption in a place where Food was scarce. (Asians) than you had the Middle line Race genetic mution for the people of India. Bigger Lungs for high altitude, a special Skin tone with a mix African and Asian. Than you had the people who went off into the dersert that mutated into the Caucasion race we are today. (Some people also believe that Race was sorta also started from different Regional speices of monkeys evolving in specific places)

Scientists believe that With all these Mutaions going on, There was a polytheist Religion going on Throughout the race and migration line.

Way back before the bible was written by the first Hebrews who Broke away from the polytheist crowd, everyone was polytheistic. So that means on a timeline of (I am just using this as a time line filler my math may be wrong) 999,000 Bc to 50,000 Bc everyone was polytheistic. Than the Hebrew broke away from the crowed and started recoding what they saw and believed. Now if the story of adam and eve was So important at the beginning why did the rest of the world go Polytheistic? than soon polytheism slowly started to die out after the Hebrews started there monotheistic religion. (When I say Slowly I MEAN SLOWLY DIED OUT.)

wouldn't that mean Everyone in the 999,000 BC to the 50,000 BC era would be in hell? how would a God accept it If his creations didn't really know what was Right until they learned what was right and what was wrong. (Think about it everyone in 999,000 bc didn't really even have a FULL working Language. there were certain things they agreed on that ment Friend and what ment Eniemy. than in 990,000 we matured to have languages Laws (Sort of) and we leanred more. think about it everyone in 999k BC had the mentality of a 3 year old. than as the human race got older we learned what was right and what was wrong. Little did everyone know Everyone agreed on back than that polythiesim was the right Choice. But not every tribe/ person agreed on what god was right. maybe one persons/tribes war god was Weak to the next tribes/persons War god.

What im asking is, The human race really didn't know right from wrong until we as a race got older and learned how to devolp language and Learend how to record. when we did that we Wrote down laws. So would God Punish EVERYONE for being Wrong?

(Im not an atheist im just sorta like..... Wanting to know if We all could be wrong with the whole process of "Hell"

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I find religion a personal and private choice. Much the same as sexual persuasion. You can be who ever or what ever you want to be as long as it is not shoved in my face. I don't appreciate religion being sold door to door nor do I appreciate those who wear their religion in costumes out in public. Tolerate, yes but I always wonder why some need to publicly display their personal beliefs. I have friends who are gay but most would never know it. They don't hide it, just don't show it. I have no need or desire to know what goes on in your bedroom or in your worship temple. I worship my God 24/7 but you would never know it. Open discussions about religion should be among trusted and loved friends and never in a public forum!

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And Atheists worship their own Religion...If we came from "Apes" why are there still apes? If we crawled out of the swamps and oceans, why are there still oceans and swamp life....? I'm just a dumbass Biologist with 2 degrees in same{Masters in Environmental Health} and don't have all the answers...but there is BS and BS artists...a few things I am 99% sure of...there is no man made Global Warming...it's Ruse, Obama wasn't born in Hawaii{BC is fake, I worked in the Health Department field, which issues Birth Certificates in all States, his is a forgery/fake}...I don't call him the Kenyan for nothing....and the "Big Bang" is the biggest BS of them all....something from nothing? Right, I love how the media latches on to about 10% of so called scientists and swears by what they say...while the other 90% are laughing their behind's off at the fools....

But if you want to argue Science with me, go for it...if you want to argue politics, or religion, I would hope the Admin would group the same together and either ban both or let open both....and if the latter is the case, the s**t storm that would follow, will be something to see.
 

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If talking politics gets us in trouble...

OH well hear goes.

The questions you ask are well thought out, but even so, they begin with too many assumptions which ARE NOT provable, either way. Like since when is polytheism is dead? Think Buddhism, Shintoism, Hinduism. Last I checked there were a lot of those. As for no monotheists before Abraham, the native Americans were clearly worshiping a central "spirit" but had various other minor spirits, but there was One important one. The Masai in Africa, clearly hold the same premise.

Race, (here we go) is a linguistic construct. Think about it.. if you were to line up every person in the world, from darkest to lightest, as you move down the line, you would see no changes from one person to another. Race isn't different mutations, but selected "features" in our genetic makeup, which are selected for over time. Just like the various breeds of canines, all came from wolves. No mutations, just selection.

As for who is in Hell, and who isn't, (Hell being defined by the Bible), you are relying on what someone is telling you rather than reading what the actual Bible says about it. When I was in college, (long time ago) we sought out primary source material, not secondary because it was more accurate. Having an atheist tell you what a the Bible says, is like getting Hoot to explain what a Liberal thinks. (Not that I disagree with him.)

One last thing. This notion that faith and religion is whatever one feels like. I never understood that. There is truth. The chair is either strong enough to hold you up or it isn't. Consequently a religion is either correct or not in it's teaching about God or gods or whatever it teaches. If God is a person, then he is who is he is, the same way we are who we are regardless of what anyone else says about us. To say it another way, so if there is a God, then he is someone, and has specific characteristics and we do not get to define them, any more than my perceptions or statements about you define who you are. Does that make sense?

These are really deep questions, which get at the heart of life. It's hard to even articulate thoughts on the matter, especially in this forum.
 

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Why?

You're making me type too much.

Please read,"Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution". It is a 1996 book by Michael J. Behe that presents his notion of irreducible complexity and claims that its presence in many biochemical systems therefore indicates that they must be the result of intelligent design rather than evolutionary processes. Behe is known, besides authoring the book, as a professor of biochemistry at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania and as a senior fellow of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture. ( this paragraph is mostly ,thank you, from 2 sentences on Wikipedia )

My friend you did not come from a monkey.
 
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is like getting Hoot to explain what a Liberal thinks.


They Think? Why I never thought they did :p
 
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They Think???
Now that there is funny!

But I would submit that at least one of them must. Their marching orders come from somewhere...

(I'm about to get a warning...)
 

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Speaking of making them mad...self promotion time:

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besides, this is a Saturday, didn't somebody start a thread..."Free For All Weekend"??:icon_shaking2:

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I chose to believe and Jesus didn't let me down. He came into my life, forgave me and gave me a new life. Life was never the same after that moment I first believed. He forgave me, gave me peace, gave me joy and gave me hope for the future. It is the moment that my life really started. I will never forget that moment when He forgave me and took the burden of sin that was weighing me down away. In a fraction of a second when I asked for forgiveness, I felt the sin and weight leave me and I was forgiven and knew it. All that I am and all I will ever be, I owe to the precious blood of Jesus that he shed for me. That was on November 17th, 1971 and I've never looked back.

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All religion is comprised of designer reality. The religious person simply chooses to believe what he wants, does so, and ignores anything that contradicts his beliefs.
Exactly. Religion has always been a means of explaining that which the common man doesn't understand. We don't understand why the rains fall from the sky; it must be sent down by the gods. We don't understand how procreation works; it must be a miracle of god. Etc. etc. In reality, all such things can be determined and explained using logic and scientific method. But it's easier for people to say "it is God's work". It has generally been easier for people to accept these products of their collective imaginations than work toward finding actual truths. Hence the flourishing of religion throughout history...
 

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I just read your profile and you seem like a very decent young man. You are going to get all kinds of replies about God and religion on this type of forum. I am a Christian and have been since I asked Jesus into my heart at age 16. I need more faith to NOT believe in God than to believe. Please get yourself a copy of the Bible and read the book of John before you read anything else. If you need a Bible, PM me and I will either mail you one or bring one to you. I am a member of the gun club on Inman Road in St. Augustine and live right down the road from you. I'll take you shooting and promise not to preach!
 

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Exactly. Religion has always been a means of explaining that which the common man doesn't understand. We don't understand why the rains fall from the sky; it must be sent down by the gods. We don't understand how procreation works; it must be a miracle of god. Etc. etc. In reality, all such things can be determined and explained using logic and scientific method. But it's easier for people to say "it is God's work". It has generally been easier for people to accept these products of their collective imaginations than work toward finding actual truths. Hence the flourishing of religion throughout history...
Religion is actually an evolutionary trait of cultural development. Religion aids a culture's growth by providing a means of controlling masses through psychological abuse that supports a mob mentality--fear of punishment and promises of reward. However, it is not true that "all such things can be determined and explained using logic and scientific method." Instead of saying, "it is God's work" some of us say, "Gee, I don't know."

For some reason I think you might enjoy Way of the Peaceful Warrior: A Book That Changes Lives by Dan Millman.
 
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Finally, we're gonna settle the questions of religion just like we settled the questions of motor oil!

Someday future generations will thank us.
 

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Finally, we're gonna settle the questions of religion just like we settled the questions of motor oil!

Someday future generations will thank us.
Actually i believe there are fewer religions than motor oils to choose from. Settling the religion debate is a start though.



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The scientific knowledge we have at present time indicates that we live in an indifferent universe. The universe does not differentiate between animate and inanimate. The tidal wave beats upon rock and
flesh with equal intensity. When our dying sun expands and consumes planet earth it will make no distinction between live tissue or driftwood. Acknowledging this has nothing to do with religion. It is not
a moral issue, some just choose to view it that way.
 

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How does rain fall from the sky? Ask any meteorologist and they will answer you. Why does rain fall from the sky? It either falls by design or it falls for no reason at all. Either all matter in the verse exists by design or by accident. Spontaneous existence by accident? Either there is a grand plan or chaos rules. It would seem to my logical mind that the existence of an intelligent designer is much more logical and simpler than believing that all that there is came about by accident, for no reason, for no purpose. Religion, as opposed to organized religion, is merely man's attempt to find the answers to where did we come from and where do we go from here. All people are religious in that we all seek answers to these questions. Your answer may be found in the Bible or perhaps Aleister Crowley gives you comfort. It's each persons responsibility to find the answers that help them best to travel this incredible journey we are all on. Sometimes I wonder why the non believer works so hard to disbelieve when it is obviously in his best interest that there be a God and so easy to just let go of all doubt and let the full love of God enter in to them. I have such profound sadness reading what some of you have to say. I pray to God that one day your hearts open and God fills you with his love.

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Well, you're entitled to an opinion, but please don't expect me to adopt your teachings without evidence other than "Since I can't figure it out, it's a miracle performed by an imaginary old guy on a throne on a cloud." That just seems like a severe case of cognitive laziness and choosing to rearrange one's prejudices and call it thinking.
 
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