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Fairfax, Va.– The executive director of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA), Chris W. Cox, today issued the following statement in response to political maneuvering in the United States Senate that prevented the passage of legislation to prohibit terrorists from obtaining firearms:

“Today, the American people witnessed an embarrassing display in the United States Senate. President Obama and his allies proved they are more interested in playing politics than addressing their failure to keep Americans safe from the threat of radical Islamic terrorism.


“We all agree that terrorists should not be allowed to purchase or possess firearms. We should all agree that law-abiding Americans who are wrongly put on a secret government list should not be denied their constitutional right to due process. These are not mutually exclusive ideas. It is shocking that the safety of the American people is taking a backseat to political theatre.


“We thank the majority of the senators for rejecting the gun control proposals of Senators Feinstein and Murphy. We applaud Senators Cornyn and Grassley for securing majorities for their common-sense proposals. We look forward to working with those interested in real solutions to keep the American people safe, including their right to defend themselves in the face of government failure."
 

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NRA Executive Vice President and CEO Wayne LaPierre appeared on Face The Nation to discuss the Obama administration's failure to protect Americans from radical Islamic terror attacks.
He portrayed the concern with gun control as a distraction from the very real threats that our nation faces today.​

 

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This guy in Orlando wasn't an ISIS fighter....he was an Islamic homosexual, who couldn't live with the contradiction and decided to go nuts and kill people to conceal that fact! Sandy Hook was a white guy who stole his mama's guns. Planned Parenthood in Colorado was a white guy who just lost it under religious dogma. There are plenty of other examples that suggest....no, SAY OUTRIGHT... that "radical Islam" isn't the problem here!!!!! Seriously...if we allow Islam to become our enemy, it'll be the MOST self-fulfilling prophecy EVER! ISIS is portraying a "the world against Islam" agenda, and if we support it, it'll happen, sure as the sun rises. Islam is no more guilty as a whole than gun owners are for those few that use guns to kill mass numbers of people!!! Making every Muslim guilty in our minds is idiotic, and will end up causing more problems for the whole world than just us.

I've said it before...we have to start thinking differently to defeat this problem. We have to realize that these occasional, relatively small events are nothing but a pinprick on a world-wide scale. We have to realize that conventional warfare will NEVER be able to "defeat" an IDEOLOGY. There's no capital city to sack...no flag to take down....no statue to crush to indicate that "we won". ISIS and their sympathizers are everywhere, not just the US, not just France, not just Belgium. And we HAVE to stop acting like the US is the ONLY entity that ISIS has issues with.....we ain't all that! We're just one of a world of governments and theologies that they don't like....it's NOT just about us!!! "Turning the Middle East into a sheet of glass" won't get us any closer to eliminating the threat than the last 15 years of invasion forces has!!!! Why keep doing--or even ramping up---the same old thing, when it CLEARLY ISN'T WORKING???????
 

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Islam is the Enemy....being in Denial and Blaming White Guys, Christians, and Guns, is just so much Bullsheet poured out by left wing loons, following the Obama and Media Talking Points....the first idiots to have their pointy heads taken off will be Gays and Left Wing Loons...

A Wake Up Call? Not a chance, if they are to stupid to figure it out by now....they are beyond hope....and ISIS may well be doing America and the World a Favor...
 

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This guy in Orlando wasn't an ISIS fighter....he was an Islamic homosexual, who couldn't live with the contradiction and decided to go nuts and kill people to conceal that fact! Sandy Hook was a white guy who stole his mama's guns. Planned Parenthood in Colorado was a white guy who just lost it under religious dogma. There are plenty of other examples that suggest....no, SAY OUTRIGHT... that "radical Islam" isn't the problem here!!!!! Seriously...if we allow Islam to become our enemy, it'll be the MOST self-fulfilling prophecy EVER! ISIS is portraying a "the world against Islam" agenda, and if we support it, it'll happen, sure as the sun rises. Islam is no more guilty as a whole than gun owners are for those few that use guns to kill mass numbers of people!!! Making every Muslim guilty in our minds is idiotic, and will end up causing more problems for the whole world than just us.

I've said it before...we have to start thinking differently to defeat this problem. We have to realize that these occasional, relatively small events are nothing but a pinprick on a world-wide scale. We have to realize that conventional warfare will NEVER be able to "defeat" an IDEOLOGY. There's no capital city to sack...no flag to take down....no statue to crush to indicate that "we won". ISIS and their sympathizers are everywhere, not just the US, not just France, not just Belgium. And we HAVE to stop acting like the US is the ONLY entity that ISIS has issues with.....we ain't all that! We're just one of a world of governments and theologies that they don't like....it's NOT just about us!!! "Turning the Middle East into a sheet of glass" won't get us any closer to eliminating the threat than the last 15 years of invasion forces has!!!! Why keep doing--or even ramping up---the same old thing, when it CLEARLY ISN'T WORKING???????

Well Folks you can see what side our NEW Administrator is on......and it appears a few of us won't be long for this forum...
 

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You make some interesting claims I don't agree with. Some of the incidents you list are not terrorist attacks. I think your understanding of what constitutes terrorism is incorrect. Below is how the FBI defines it.

"International terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

  • Involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
  • Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
  • Occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S., or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.*
Basically it is the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

The Planned Parenthood affair could be classified as terrorism, but Sandy Hook was clearly not a terrorist attack as are most of the gun violence that has been occurring lately. Just because a nut kills a bunch of people doesn't make it an act of terrorism. That makes it a mental health issue. San Bernadino is without a doubt a terrorist attack and Orlando was at least partly politically motivated in support of ISIS. I'm not so sure I buy the homosexual angle in Orlando. Sounds like a diversion. Since 9/11, an additional 139 Americans have been killed in 48 separate acts of deadly Islamic terror or Islam-related honor killing in the United States. Hundreds of mass murder plots have been thwarted or botched. The real story is not "Islamophobia" but American tolerance - which rightly refuses to punish the individual based on group identity. It's time we identified the threat by name and work towards eliminating that threat.

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Country City Killed Injured Description
1972.04.14 USA New York, NY 1 3 Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one.
1973.01.19 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 1 Muslim extremists rob a sporting goods store for weapons, gunning down a police officer who responds to the alarm.
1973.07.01 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 An Israeli diplomat is gunned down in his driveway by Palestinian terrorists.
1973.07.18 USA Washington, DC 8 2 Nation of Islam members shoot seven members of a family to death in cold blood, including four children. A defendant in the case is later murdered in prison on orders from Elijah Muhammad.
1973.10.19 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 Nation of Islam terrorists kidnap a couple and nearly decapitate the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead.
1973.10.29 USA Berkeley, CA 1 0 A woman is shot repeatedly in the face by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1973.11.25 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1973.12.11 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth.
1973.12.13 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A woman is shot to death on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1973.12.20 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 Nation of Islam terrorists gun down an 81-year-old janitor.
1973.12.22 USA Oakland, CA 2 0 Nation of Islam terrorist kills two people in separate attacks on the same day.
1973.12.24 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1974.01.24 USA Oakland, CA 4 1 Five vicious shooting attacks by Nation of Islam terrorists leave three people dead and one paralyzed for life. Three of the victims were women.
1974.04.01 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 A Nation of Islam terrorist shoots at two Salvation Army members, killing a man and injuring a woman.
1974.04.16 USA Ingleside, CA 1 0 A man is killed while helping a friend move by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1977.03.09 USA Washington, DC 1 1 Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B'nai B'rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died.
1980.07.22 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam.
1980.08.31 USA Savou, IL 2 0 An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife.
1989.11.06 USA St. Louis, MO 1 0 A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American.
1990.01.31 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.
1990.11.05 USA New York City, NY 1 0 An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel.
1993.01.25 USA Langley, VA 2 3 A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.
1993.02.26 USA New York, NY 6 1040 Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.
1994.03.01 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 0 A Muslim gunman targets a van packed with Jewish boys, killing a 16-year-old.
1997.03.23 USA New York, NY 1 6 A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack.
1997.04.03 USA Lompoc, CA 1 0 A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim.
2000.03.17 USA Atlanta, GA 1 1 A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner.
2001.09.11 USA New York, NY 2752 251 Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.
2001.09.11 USA Washington, DC 184 53 Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.
2001.09.11 USA Shanksville, PA 40 0 Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.
2002.03.19 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.
2002.05.27 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.
2002.07.04 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.
2002.09.21 USA Atlanta, GA 1 0 Muslim terrorists gun down an employee at a liquor store.
2002.09.21 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.
2002.09.23 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.
2002.10.02 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.
2002.10.03 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.
2002.10.09 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
2002.10.11 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.
2002.10.14 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.
2002.10.22 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.
2003.08.06 USA Houston, TX 1 0 After undergoing a 'religious revival', a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.
2004.04.15 USA Scottsville, NY 1 2 In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.
2006.06.16 USA Baltimore, MD 1 0 A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim medical student in an unprovoked terror attack.
2006.06.25 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
2006.07.28 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
2008.01.01 USA Irving, TX 2 0 A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.
2008.07.06 USA Jonesboro, GA 1 0 A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.
2009.02.12 USA Buffalo, NY 1 0 The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
2009.04.12 USA Phoenix, AZ 2 0 A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in contradiction to Islamic values.
2009.06.01 USA Little Rock, AR 1 1 A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.
2009.11.02 USA Glendale, AZ 1 1 A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09)
2009.11.05 USA Ft. Hood, TX 13 31 A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.
2009.12.04 USA Binghamton, NY 1 0 A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.
2010.04.14 USA Marquette Park, IL 5 2 After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to 'take them back to Allah' and out of the 'world of sinners'.
2011.04.30 USA Warren, MI 1 0 A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices.
2011.09.11 USA Waltham, MA 3 0 Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.
2012.01.15 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim for helping to convert his daughter.
2012.11.12 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 28-year-old American man is shot to death by a conservative Muslim over an alleged role in converting a woman to Christianity.
2013.02.07 USA Buena Vista, NJ 2 0 A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.
2013.03.24 USA Ashtabula, OH 1 0 A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.
2013.04.15 USA Boston, MA 3 264 Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.
2013.04.19 USA Boston, MA 1 1 Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.
2013.08.04 USA Richmond, CA 1 0 A convert "on a mission from Allah" stabs a store clerk to death.
2014.03.06 USA Port Bolivar, TX 2 0 A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality.
2014.04.27 USA Skyway, WA 1 0 A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.
2014.06.01 USA Seattle, WA 2 0 Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.
2014.06.25 USA West Orange, NJ 1 0 A 19-year-old college student is shot to death 'in revenge' for Muslim deaths overseas.
2014.09.25 USA Moore, OK 1 1 A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo.
2014.12.18 USA Morganton, NC 1 0 A 74-year-old man is shot several times in the head by a 'radicalized' ISIS supporter.
2015.07.16 USA Chattanooga, TN 5 2 A 'devout Muslim' stages a suicide attack on a recruiting center at a strip mall and a naval center which leaves five dead.
2015.12.02 USA San Bernardino, CA 14 17 A 'very religious' Muslim shoots up a Christmas party with his wife, leaving fourteen dead.
2016.06.13 USA Orlando, FL 49 53 An Islamic extremist massacres forty-nine people at a gay nightclub

GUNS ARE CLEARLY NOT THE PROBLEM.
 

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If the mainstream media would stop treating all gun owners like they're murderers maybe we could start making progress. Why is the media so protective of Islam and so critical of gun owners? Clearly they are afraid and clearly the bad guys have defeated the media with their greatest weapon....terror. They're so blinded by their fear they don't even understand they've been defeated.
 

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Well Folks you can see what side our NEW Administrator is on......and it appears a few of us won't be long for this forum...
First, I"m not NEW. I've been here for almost 4 years. Second, I don't ban folks for having wrong ideas about war, politics, or hate. I just try to stop it with reason....even if those I try to reach are 'unreasonable' by nature.
 

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Jeeze I go to write a schematic mod and I missed this thread :(
 

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First, I"m not NEW. I've been here for almost 4 years. Second, I don't ban folks for having wrong ideas about war, politics, or hate. I just try to stop it with reason....even if those I try to reach are 'unreasonable' by nature.
Wrong Ideas....? Yes yours are, but being {it appears} someone who watches and reads only the Left Wing Talking Points, it comes as no surprise...Hate? Yep, Islam, in your mind, is The Religion of Peace...some people just don get it...and never will, until it's to late...

4 years...79 posts? Yep you are a real contributor....:rolleyes:
 

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Sweethearts those Islamic Dic~Heads are, at least some think that way, so they put their Head's in the Sand, or up their collective Backsides. They say we can't defeat, so we should just Give Up and let them have their way....this folks, and gutless Liberal Traitors, are what you face....if the left has it's way, your kids and Grandkids, and you, if our are young enough, are in Deep Sh*t" ...This is the crap that Obama has forced on US and "Killary" will keep em' coming, all the while trying to Disarm real Americans.

ISIS beheads four-year-old girl, forces mother to soak hands in blood ? Conservative Firing Line
 

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I didn't get a chance to watch the video but what Hoot says is in fact correct for those that follow the Koran to the "T", the "radicalized" ones so they say, at least that is how it appears if you follow closely.

The odd thing is every-time I see a "moderate" get asked to denounce the wicked things in their "bible" aka their Koran they refuse to. That is something I have a hard time with. Why won't they?

It's difficult to give the benefit of the doubt when they won't denounce the radicals and mean it. But then again if they did denounce the Koran the Koran says lie to the Infidels and fool them... Is this not the case?

All I can say is the radicals are VERY radical. Very Evil, and they are spreading and sucking in followers like a tornado. What can and should be done? I don't know but every point of view needs to be heard, good or bad at this point.

It seems we may be at the point of no return.
 

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Yes, the Religion of Peace Followers are such Sweethearts....
Pat; if you don't mind; I'm taking this post down. Everyone is supposed to be able to express their opinion freely without being goaded on. It isn't good for the forum and only causes more strife.

*** Note: I edited Pats quote, to take out the potentially offensive part above.
 

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I didn't get a chance to watch the video but what Hoot says is in fact correct for those that follow the Koran to the "T", the "radicalized" ones so they say, at least that is how it appears if you follow closely.

The odd thing is every-time I see a "moderate" get asked to denounce the wicked things in their "bible" aka their Koran they refuse to. That is something I have a hard time with. Why won't they?
The answer is simple
 

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I fail to see a problem with this post.
We don't goad and bait or belittle members, right brother Cro? Pat is very outspoken and we all love him dearly here (and he darn well knows I love him); but if it looks like it is going to stir up more discord between any one; I have to make a judgement call; so I did.
 

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We don't goad and bait or belittle members, right brother Cro? Pat is very outspoken and we all love him dearly here (and he darn well knows I love him); but if it looks like it is going to stir up more discord between any one; I have to make a judgement call; so I did.

I thought you were talking about this posting to off topics. His comment went a little over the top perhaps, but that's Hoot.
 
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