After riding through Tour de Forest, i went through the process of taking off my mesh jacket to put my rain jacket on underneath when it got cold, and put my mesh jacket back on. Then when I overheated, I had to pull over again, take off my mesh jacket, then my rain jacket, then put my mesh jacket back on. What a hassle. My body couldn't find a sweet spot with the forest temperatures and the mixed riding I went through. Anyone ride with a textile jacket that has large vent panels that can be closed/opened and keep your body happy for a wide range of temps without the hassle of liners? I don't mind putting a rain jacket on if it's real wet and cold for long periods.