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Long story short: Owned 2 T dubs in the past (mine & wife's), and absolutely loved them. Put a smile on my face any time I rode one. Made the mistake of moving up to bigger bikes; In the end, they always ended up getting sold off. I live on the Northeast coast. Trails around here are very, very rocky, rooty and technically demanding. Most of the trails in my area are easier, and faster on a full suspension MTB vs. 300 lb. dual sport.

My last bike was a highly modified CRF250L. I cringe thinking about the amount of money and time I put into that bike. CRINGE. :grumpy: I had a great time modding it over the course of the 2 years that I owned it, and it was a vastly superior bike out on the road, in some (notably suspension - thanks RaceTech - throttle response - thanks EFI - and a bit of power), but not all respects (the T-Dub is a lot more nimble, IMHO, and easier to throw around in the corners and when riding urban assault).

I picked up my 2016 T-Dub last Saturday. I had the chance to get out on my new steed a few times this past week and came back from tonight's ride, a 25 degree finger freezer, thoroughly enthralled with my purchase. I will never make the mistake of selling my T-Dub again (unless it's to buy a new one). ;)

I've owned a few different dual sport bikes over the years, the most recent being a DR650 and a highly modded CRF250L. I went hog wild modding the Honda: Racetech suspension front and rear, fuel controller, speedometer corrector, aftermarket exhaust, airbox mods, 3.3 gallon tank... and that's just the short list. The bike was incredibly smooth on the road, especially with the 17/19" Warp 9 wheel set and semi-street tires I ran on it most of the time. GREAT bike on the road, although I will admit that I really hated the lack of top end; NO mod could address that issue. The power that it did have was all low end and mid range, and from there... it just flat lined. I love how the little T-Dub keeps on pulling in the upper rev ranges where the Honda would fall FLAT on it's face. :moody: I can think of an adult themed parallel that I could insert here for comparison's sake, but this is a family show, so I'll keep it PG.


At 320 lbs. and a much higher center of gravity, the CRF250L was simply a grossly underpowered pig off road though. Not NEARLY as bad as my old DR650, but a pig none-the-less, especially when compared to our beloved TW200. My ride tonight confirmed this fact. I ran a few errands, gassed up and then hit the woods for a little stealth run through some of the main trails I ride when mountain biking close to home.

The short of it: The T-Dub RIPS! :eek:nthego: The super low center of gravity and tractor like engine just allowed me to power through everything. I had to baby the CRF in the super rocky areas; not so with the T-Dub. Despite the archaic suspension, which really wasn't that bad at all as long as I was standing, I was able to HAMMER that little bike. It took everything I threw at it with ease, despite a constant pace of 20 - 30 mph through very rocky, rooty terrain, and even made power sliding in the sandy corners possible! That big old tire up back just HOOKS up and stays glued in places where the CRF would get squirmy and force me to hit the brakes.

I'll tell you... a second bike is most certainly in my near future as my wife is already asking me when its her turn to ride. The WR250R is the other bike I've always loved (and wished I purchased in place of the CRF250L), and have wanted to buy since about 2010. I figured it would make a great compliment to the T-Dub for longer rides that included a little highway time and a lot more fast paced fire road and ST work. After tonight's ride, I have to wonder... perhaps a 2nd T-Dub is in order.

There's just something about these bikes that you don't find anywhere else. I've never owned a bike that is so under-powered, so poorly sprung, so archaic and yet SOOOOO fun and easy to ride. It puts a huge smile on my face every time I roll out. I truly believe that it's one of the best all round small displacement motorcycles on the planet and am so very happy to have one back in the stable again!!!
 

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I ride with a bunch of CRF250s. I should copy and paste this to our local page. I'll probably get stoned to death. LOL
 

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I just LOVE them. It's one of those things; you either "get it" or you don't. My brother, and a couple of other friends who ride KTMs, snicker at my affinity for the T-Dub. Oh well... they are already hard enough to find, especially used (the two I sold netted me what I paid for them after years of ownership and thousands of miles logged!), so better for those of us in the know I suppose :)

BTW: I just noticed you are up in North Bay? Great spot! I was up in Huntsville/Muskoka racing back in '08. One of my all time favorite race locations. Wish I was still racing so I could go back!
 

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LOL! Go for it! As far as I'm concerned, for rough trail riding, the T-Dub is a lot faster, and more nimble, than the CRF250L; even a HIGHLY modified one. Wish I could compare it to a WR250R! Have always lusted over that bike, but have never owned or even ridden one.
 

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BTW: I just noticed you are up in North Bay? Great spot! I was up in Huntsville/Muskoka racing back in '08. One of my all time favorite race locations. Wish I was still racing so I could go back!

Well you can always come back for some trail riding.
 

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I ride with a bunch of CRF250s. I should copy and paste this to our local page. I'll probably get stoned to death. LOL
Don't let them pass you! :) They'll be roosting rocks your way for sure.
 

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JR...I had a Wr250r....it is a great bike(likely the best dual sport I had), off road it was set up near perfect for me and on road and in traffic the bike was great. I sold the WR and the bike I kept was the tw, for the riding I do the tw is perfect. The TW may not be a rocket but for backwoods plodding and exploring you can't find a more suited bike.
 

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Crf250l=LRP= little red pig. Not my words, but I think it's funny.
 
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Well, I'll see! I'm picking up a WR250R today. As soon as I brought my TW home, my wife's first words were "Great. When do I get to ride it!"

That was all the excuse I needed to put the plan for a second bike purchase into overdrive. :D

I have lusted after the WR250R for over 5 years now. I have always wanted one, but made the mistake of purchasing the CRF250L thinking that I would be able to mod it to the point where I'd be happy. Well, after thousands of dollars of mods and 2 years everything was great except the engine. The bike simply had NO top end. That just killed it for me. Lack of top end was in no way problematic off road, but I spend the majority of my time on road and the CRF just falls flat on it's face after 7.5k RPM range. There is simply no pull up top to speak of up top. Believe it or not, but I'm much happier with the engine characteristics of the TW!

So why the WR? I want a second bike with more ground clearance, more power (for longer, solo road trips) and better suspension. I greatly enjoy ADV type riding and the WR's ability to spend some time on the highway at 70+ mph will come in handy when I ride solo and venture north. The WR is narrower than the CRF250L and a little lighter as well. That'll come in handy when the going gets rough. The extra seat height will actually put me in a slightly less cramped position than the CRF250L while providing some extra ground clearance for all of the rocks around here. LONG days in the saddle on the TW leave me feeling beat up. It's awesome for shorter day trips and flying around town, but for the longer rides, I need to stretch out.

I'm pumped to have 2 Yamahas back in the stable. The long term plan is to buy a second TW once our kids are old enough to jump on the back. We're both teachers, so the grand plan is to spend our summers touring the US and Canada with 2 TWs in tow. We'll deploy them once on location and will have a blast exploring while on 2 wheels.

We have more snow coming in this week, so the my first order of business with the WR will be a gearing change (14/49). Outside of that, a skid plate, a speedodrd, some handguards and a set of bags will be the only mods I make with this bike (tires when venturing deep off road). I'll report back in with my initial impressions.

My wife and I were "lucky" enough to buy a VW TDI back in July of 2015. The settlement money for dieselgate sure has come in handy :) We are going to have a fun summer.
 

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'I might have to do just that one of these years. When I was up there, I just wanted to keep going North. I loved the never ending forest way up in those parts."

Yes I love Northern Ontario....it just never ends. here is a run I have planned for this summer.

http://www.graveltravel.ca/index.php...-ont-3&catid=1

OH MY! I was just checking out that site. What an awesome resource! I would love to travel some of those routes!!!
 

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my son has a wr250f and is a very nice bike and powerfull..... i think the r will make u change ur shorts once in a while LOL.....they are very tall bike a short guy doesnt even have the option of touching the ground....
 
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