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I met an adventurer rider at the Flying Monkey Rally and he had a 1/2 dozen OHV permits on his bike.
Could we start a list of requirements for each state / province to ride off road there?

I am planning to go down to Arizona in January and was looking at their rules. After a fair bit of reading it appears that non residents do not require a permit if they are not in Arizona for more than 30 days and it is a street licensed motorcycle that is licensed in your home state/province or if it is not street legal you have an OHV permit from your home state/province otherwise you need to purchase their OHV sticker. Those of you from Arizona can expand or correct this info?

In BC you are fine to ride street legal motorcycle off road and non street legal vehicles on FSRs if you have a minimum of $300,000 3rd party liability insurance. For those of us in BC who do ride single track, I would strongly suggest you purchase a trail pass either from BCORMA or your local motorcycle club. I support DualSportBC as they are working to keep trails open in BC on our behalf.

In Oregon if you are going to travel the dunes you need their OHV card (FREE) which you can get online after taking a test and you purchase a OHV sticker (~$10 for 2 years) for the vehicle you plan to use on the dunes and a flag. The TW meets all the other requirements. For those of you in Oregon is this also required for other OHV trails?

As I do not plan to be riding in California in the summer, I believe I am good to go. I see that there are areas that are closed from June 30 to Sept 1. Anyone care to explain what is needed in this state.:confused:
 

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Here in NB you just need your license, insurance, and the bike to be plated for road use. Those looking to get their motorcycle license need to take the equivalent of the MSF course ($400), then do at written test at the motor vehicle office. You then get a graduated license; essentially the same as a kid getting his learners permit..can't ride after sunset, can't carry a passenger, zero blood alcohol on the bike, and can't pull a trailer. After a year with the graduated license, you go and do your road test with the driver examiners following you and telling you what to do via 1-way radio. After passing that you have your 'full' license.
No yearly safety inspections on bikes, so nobody has those ugly fork stickers or placards.
As for riding off road...that's a farce...sort of. The majority of New Brunswick (Canada) is woods, but there is no bike trail system. There are official 'managed' trails through the provincial ATV federation, and maintained (grading, dozing, bridges over running water, etc) by the area ATV clubs. 2-wheeled bikes are not permitted on an official, managed ATV trail..subject to fine by the OREO's...the Off Road Enforcement Offers, a part of the RCMP cruising the trails on ATVs and snowmobiles. There is also a network of managed snowmobile trails, open to use by anyone through spring/summer/fall (until around the middle of December when they start grooming). After that point, anyone not a snowmobile can be fined, or more likely, beaten and left in the woods for dead by pissed off snowmobilers. It sounds great that anyone can run the snowmobile trails in the off season, but because of the fact that they're 'trails' when there's snow and ice over them, they often pass right through the middle of bogs...also, rocky and rough trails that would just beat you to death.
The ATV federation use a $100/year pass system for their managed trails. The snowmobile federation has a pass system, more expensive for most but the price drops with the age of your sled.
You cannot buy a trail pass for the ATV trails for a 2-wheeled bike. The clubs won't sell you one even though they're always crying hard times. Even if a club did actually sell one, the OREOs have stated in no uncertain terms that a motorcycle does not fit the definition of 'an ATV' in the act, and will fine you.
The ATV federation won't share their trails with the snowmobile federation, so there are usually trails in the woods running somewhat parallel to each other or at least ending up at the same place...ATVs only on one, sleds only on the other..and each of the federations running their own groomers day and night. The ATV federation won't allow motorcycles on their ATV trails even though they say they can't afford groomer fuel, even though there are tons of dual sport and dirt bike riders that would drop the $100 for a pass for their trails in a heartbeat.
All that said, pretty much the rest of the trails are fair game. There are no OHV parks or 'state forests' that you have to pay a fee to enter and ride. Crown land is open to everyone, with small exceptions like newly lumbered and reforested areas being gated off. People around here are pretty good about land use, and the only big plots of private land that's usually posted No Trespassing is placed where people are actively working, cutting wood, etc.
My rule of thumb when finding a little 'Hmmm, I wonder what's down there?" road or trail is, if there's no sign, chain, gate, or rope across it, and it doesn't have a civic number sign by the road, it's open to go explore.
I can't complain...the trails that are closed to bikes because they're managed ATV trails are a tiny drop in the bucket if you look at the amount of trails and dirt/lumber roads that are wide open for riding.

I just really can't understand why the ATV and sled federations can't play together...share the trails and share the grooming in the winter.
 

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Nevada is pretty liberal, one can now even drive side-by-sides on public roads in towns with less than 100,000 residents. Usually no special permits other than for a few localities like Sand Mountain, a dune riding park outside Fallon. Motor vehicle use regulations on Federal lands within the state simply state that vehicles must conform to Nevada state law.
 

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Ever try riding a sled down a trail that has been destroyed by an ATV?? We have the same issues in WI.

Our biggest problem is the state taking over and tarring the rail road right a ways for bicyclist. Once the state takes them over there is NO motorized recreational use, PERIOD. Even though the snowmobilers are the ones that secured the use of the old rail ways.
 

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Shucks, in Nevada there are still open road races like the Silver State Classic where you can hang it out over 90 miles of highway. 250 mph speeds over the finish line have been recorded, but not for this old ’37 Ford.

Or take a drive to Virginia City.

Hijack, if just for the sound effects...nothing to do with Riding Regulations
 

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When we went to the Black Hills in South Dakota we had to get an OHV sticker there as they didn't recognize Idaho's OHV sticker. So, best to check with each state ahead of time and what area in a state such as state land or federal land requirements.

Generally, in Idaho your good to go if your vehicles are registered, licensed, proper OHV stickers and what not in your state or province. Idaho will recognize yours at least for a time period.

It's way too complicated for me to navigate the information and present it here as fact. Old web information is mixed with current information.

Here are some links if you're interested.

https://parksandrecreation.idaho.gov/activities/atv-motorbike

https://www.offroad-ed.com/idaho/studyGuide/OHV-Registration-and-Title/40101401_700074556/

https://www.offroad-ed.com/idaho/atv-law.html

http://idahostateatv.org/IdahoOHVSurvey.pdf
 

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California: “As I do not plan to be riding in California in the summer, I believe I am good to go. I see that there are areas that are closed from June 30 to Sept 1. Anyone care to explain what is needed in this state.

In California if your motorcycle is street legal and currently insured and registered in any state or nation you usually need no further permits for operation on or off-road. The seasonal closure cited refers only to “
red sticker” vehicles, i.e. ORVs manufactured after 2003 that are not compliant with CARB emission standards ( Think modern 2-stokes ) . Non-compliant pre-2003 ORVs and all complaint ORVs require a green sticker for off-road operation on public lands. These seasonal closures
for red sticker vehicles are based on air quality concerns and varies by location and date.
These regulations are not relevant for dual purpose bikes like our liscenced TWs.
I fell into a grey area once when my Washington plated KDX 2-stroke’s legality was questioned on a forest service road above Sonora Pass. It took well over an hour for a female ranger, then a sheriff, then a Federal Law Enforcement agent to show up, argue with each other about jurisdiction and statute interpretation issues, call in to supervisors and Washington DMV before they finally released me. The unfortunate part was during the time the Law Enforcement Agent interviened I had to be uncomfortably handcuffed “for my protection”. No apologies were ever offered for their infringement on my rights. The presumption of innocence is limited to the judicial system, law enforcement often operates on the assumption of guilt.
 

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California: “As I do not plan to be riding in California in the summer, I believe I am good to go. I see that there are areas that are closed from June 30 to Sept 1. Anyone care to explain what is needed in this state.

In California if your motorcycle is street legal and currently insured and registered in any state or nation you usually need no further permits for operation on or off-road. The seasonal closure cited refers only to “
red sticker” vehicles, i.e. ORVs manufactured after 2003 that are not compliant with CARB emission standards ( Think modern 2-stokes ) . Non-compliant pre-2003 ORVs and all complaint ORVs require a green sticker for off-road operation on public lands. These seasonal closures
for red sticker vehicles are based on air quality concerns and varies by location and date.
These regulations are not relevant for dual purpose bikes like our liscenced TWs.
I fell into a grey area once when my Washington plated KDX 2-stroke’s legality was questioned on a forest service road above Sonora Pass. It took well over an hour for a female ranger, then a sheriff, then a Federal Law Enforcement agent to show up, argue with each other about jurisdiction and statute interpretation issues, call in to supervisors and Washington DMV before they finally released me. The unfortunate part was during the time the Law Enforcement Agent interviened I had to be uncomfortably handcuffed “for my protection”. No apologies were ever offered for their infringement on my rights. The presumption of innocence is limited to the judicial system, law enforcement often operates on the assumption of guilt.
Even if you were riding a motorcycle that wasn't plated and compliant, handcuffing you during the process, shame on them or whoever did the handcuffing. That is just ridiculous.
 

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So Fred, would my 96 DT200 street legal smoker lead to me being handcuffed in California?
 

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Fred This video showed up after one of the ones you posted above

Can you look into getting all the info this guy has into your videos: Heart-rate, elevation, grade, speed, distance and where you are on the course?:D

For those of you with some time to kill this is so far is a good watch (I am at the 12 min mark). Admiral you may want to look away around 4:30 mark as the rider does the unspeakable - cross country.
This looks to be a fun ride, but I would not want to race it.
 

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As far as the ’96 DT200 2-stroke goes I think you would face some serious scrutiny but not likely be handcuffed since you have an honest face and a Canadian passport.
Depending on your and the officer’s attitude they might want to throw the book at you though...make sure your headlight is not too high or low, license plate properly illuminated, horn subjectively loud enough, all turn signals work to the officer’s satisfaction.
Just be polite with any seemingly unreasonable officers. Most are professional and nice, others just might be having a bad day or don’t like bikes. Keep your Go-Pro running.
My incident with the KDX dates from the late 80s and since officer was responding to multiple back-up requests he figured I must be seriously afoul of the law even though my record had come back squeaky clean.
Simple answer? Go ride in Nevada.:p
 

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The short circuiting and any off-course riding in the Virginia Grand Prix gets you disqualified if caught.
 

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Sometimes I see bicycles with the cheap Chineese 2 stroke add on engines running around. I see them a few times each and then never again. I always figured the rider got tired of it but maybe the local law enforcement ended their "reign of terror". I think small 4 stroke add on engines are still OK.

I know a forum member that bought a 2 stroke engine for his bicycle. I asked if he had any trouble buying it being from Commiefornia. No real problem except he had to assemble it once it got here. I guess technically he didn't buy an engine, he only bought parts and parts aren't banned, at least not yet.
 

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As far as the 2015 TW200 (make sure your headlight is not too high or low, license plate properly illuminated, horn subjectively loud enough, all turn signals work to the officer’s satisfaction...
I'm in trouble.:p
 

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Fred This video showed up after one of the ones you posted above

Can you look into getting all the info this guy has into your videos: Heart-rate, elevation, grade, speed, distance and where you are on the course?:D

For those of you with some time to kill this is so far is a good watch (I am at the 12 min mark). Admiral you may want to look away around 4:30 mark as the rider does the unspeakable - cross country.
This looks to be a fun ride, but I would not want to race it.

Oh man, I thought you were gonna say "water crossing"! :D

Looks like another video to add to my "watch later" (in the winter) library. Though it does kind of look and feel like winter already so I guess I could be like you and start watching it now!:p
 

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CONNECTICUT - Fun is illegal. NO ATVS (4 wheelers) anywhere, anytime, ever, on land that is not private property. No mtorized anything on all state land. The end.

Only 2 exceptions

Off road 2 wheels:

Pachuag State Forest in eastern Connecticut - open all year, street legal, PLATED, registered, insured motorcycles on the Enduro loop trail system. No fees. Any kind of bike at all as long as it is street legal . Not sure how diligent the rangers are with inspecting "street legal" part (lights, mirrors). But, there are numerous 2 stroke and 4 stroke bikes in Pachaug, all plated and lights. The problem is location. It takes a bit oven an hour for me to drive there.

Thomaston Dam - Seasonal (2018 scheduled opening May-October??), REGISTERED with the DMV, stickered dirt bikes (must be shuttled there, can't ride those on the road to get there, unload the bike and ride), no need to be street legal, but of course if you're plated just ride there and enter. No fees. Must have 96db limit, spark arrestor, etc. Rangers check. I've seen it. This place is only 25 minutes ride for my house. But it's mostly hard. Not very big. Once you've ridden there a few times, and if you are chicken of trying the hard stuff (ME...) it seems small.

There are also off road races which are sponsored my NETRA and other clubs, which do take place with the State's OK. But limited only for a day on the weekends every so often.

That's it.
 

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CONNECTICUT - Fun is illegal. NO ATVS (4 wheelers) anywhere, anytime, ever, on land that is not private property. No mtorized anything on all state land. The end.

Only 2 exceptions

Off road 2 wheels:

Pachuag State Forest in eastern Connecticut - open all year, street legal, PLATED, registered, insured motorcycles on the Enduro loop trail system. No fees. Any kind of bike at all as long as it is street legal . Not sure how diligent the rangers are with inspecting "street legal" part (lights, mirrors). But, there are numerous 2 stroke and 4 stroke bikes in Pachaug, all plated and lights. The problem is location. It takes a bit oven an hour for me to drive there.

Thomaston Dam - Seasonal (2018 scheduled opening May-October??), REGISTERED with the DMV, stickered dirt bikes (must be shuttled there, can't ride those on the road to get there, unload the bike and ride), no need to be street legal, but of course if you're plated just ride there and enter. No fees. Must have 96db limit, spark arrestor, etc. Rangers check. I've seen it. This place is only 25 minutes ride for my house. But it's mostly hard. Not very big. Once you've ridden there a few times, and if you are chicken of trying the hard stuff (ME...) it seems small.

There are also off road races which are sponsored my NETRA and other clubs, which do take place with the State's OK. But limited only for a day on the weekends every so often.

That's it.
It's interesting what we consider an inconvenience. It takes us a bit over/under an hour to get anywhere out here and I don't think twice about it. If it takes us two hours to haul the camper/TW's somewhere for the weekend we think that's a quick trip. Unless you live in the metro area's out here, everything else takes time to get to it.

I did get checked this year to see "if" we even had an exhaust by the forest service. First time. I have been checked for our off-road sticker twice and each time I was still legal to ride without the sticker so I'm not sure why they checked it. We had ours and they were satisfied.
 

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Connecticut sounds like a horrible place to try to ride a new Beta Xtrainer. Much sympathy.
It takes a bit oven an hour for me to drive there.” More sympathy from a guy who bought a place he can ride out the back door directly into the woods.
In the wide open west I’ll think nothing of a two hour shuttle to a worthy day ride destination, or four hour drive to a multi-day camp-n-ride adventure. 11 hour annual drive to Moab can almost be done on autopilot.
It is a shame that so many
places like Connecticut are not off-road friendly. I’ve happily hiked and paddled there and rode my friend’s sisters Harley Davidson Baja 100 a few times on private dirt roads picking berries on Mt.Riga...guess I was an outlaw.
 

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Fred This video showed up after one of the ones you posted above

Can you look into getting all the info this guy has into your videos: Heart-rate, elevation, grade, speed, distance and where you are on the course?:D

For those of you with some time to kill this is so far is a good watch (I am at the 12 min mark). Admiral you may want to look away around 4:30 mark as the rider does the unspeakable - cross country.
This looks to be a fun ride but I would not want to race it. QUOTE]


The Virginia City Grand Prix is a tough race. That was just one lap and he had 4-6 more to go. The rocks, dust and slower riders are the challenges. This rider seems to have lost some drive after falling down on the hill at the 9 mile mark. He may have hurt something. Things to note...Although this guy seems to be an above average rider, by seeing how many riders he passed vs how many passed him, he would need to be way more aggressive to place well in the faster classes. Notice how the few guys that did pass him wasted no time following the next riders in line. Passes have to be made quickly in a race like this. Also of note is that most all the riders that passed him were on thumpers which tend to be more tractable and hook up better overall in slick conditions. This race is held only about 20 miles from my house. I started it 4 times back in the 70's but never did finish one. Flat tires and an ailing body did me in
 

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Fred This video showed up after one of the ones you posted above

Can you look into getting all the info this guy has into your videos: Heart-rate, elevation, grade, speed, distance and where you are on the course?:D

For those of you with some time to kill this is so far is a good watch (I am at the 12 min mark). Admiral you may want to look away around 4:30 mark as the rider does the unspeakable - cross country.
This looks to be a fun ride but I would not want to race it. QUOTE]


The Virginia City Grand Prix is a tough race. That was just one lap and he had 4-6 more to go. The rocks, dust and slower riders are the challenges. This rider seems to have lost some drive after falling down on the hill at the 9 mile mark. He may have hurt something. Things to note...Although this guy seems to be an above average rider, by seeing how many riders he passed vs how many passed him, he would need to be way more aggressive to place well in the faster classes. Notice how the few guys that did pass him wasted no time following the next riders in line. Passes have to be made quickly in a race like this. Also of note is that most all the riders that passed him were on thumpers which tend to be more tractable and hook up better overall in slick conditions. This race is held only about 20 miles from my house. I started it 4 times back in the 70's but never did finish one. Flat tires and an ailing body did me in

". Also of note is that most all the riders that passed him were on thumpers " What do you mean. I ask because I assumed all single cylinder motorcycles were called thumpers but maybe it's a 4 stroke vs. 2 stroker terminology?
 
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