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This is a general area which I frequent. It's less than half an hour from my home. My brother knows people who work there (very light acquaintance...), and has even gone there himself during his work a few times over recent months. Sadly none of those helpless people had any way of defending themselves. Did the police save their lives? Sure, some of them, perhaps... For the others, they were too late. If only some in that crowd had been carriers, there might well have been only four or five deaths, instead of 14. Unfortunately, of course, the result of this will be the usual bull shit: taking guns away from the people who are NOT committing these types of crimes.

I mean honestly, if these people really do have "terrorist" connections, then they're going to get their guns and ammo whether or not it's legal. I just wish people could see the reality of these situations. People will blame guns for the deaths of these innocents; they need to be blaming the people behind those guns. And people will say that taking guns away is a solution. If all guns could magically disappear, it might be a solution. That just isn't reality. Even if they did all disappear, it wouldn't be a solution; people have been killing other people for many thousands of years - long before the first firearms.
 

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Even if they all did magically disappear they would use other things to kill. AND there would be more instances of violent crime because the criminals can be sure no body will pull a gun on them.
 

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KJ, one of the issues that needs to be addressed....is that even if 100 % of the employees in that agency were licensed to carry a concealed weapon......the employer would not have allowed it.

Government agencies, whether Federal, State, County or Municipal will not allow employees to carry a concealed weapon on them, while at work, and in the workplace....unless employed in the field of Law Enforcement.

"IF" I am wrong on this, someone please correct me.
Indeed that's a problem. Most likely that's why the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

And yes, Doc, I suspect you are 100% correct in your analysis.
 

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No TWilight, you got it right. I can't even carry into the Post Office by law. Most employers, whether government or not, will prohibit/restrict personal concealed carry. There are a few exceptions that I know of, but the liability issues are large.
 

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So,,,,if I carry while driving my school bus,,,,some jake leg bastard tries to carry a kid off my bus,,,,I bust a cap in his ass,,,, ,,,,,, ,,,,,,will the lawyers have a field day with my freedom,,,,when I should be a hero for saving somebodies' son/brother/grandson. The system is backward. Someone on this forum quoted a while back, "When seconds matter, help will be there in minutes." I know I didn't get that exact, but it's close.
 

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While certainly not all Muslims are terrorists it is notable that lately most terrorists seem to be Muslims.
The husband killer employed there was treated and paid rather well, the employees hosted a party for his newborn, he was allowed to go home for prayers 4 times a day in the name of political correctness and tolerance of diversity yet look what happens. He had known contacts with FBI's persons of interest so it is unlikely that his religious beliefs were not at core of his and wife's murderous rampage. So sad. Another"faithful" programmed by tenants of his faith to be essentially a sleeper cell ready to be unleashed against the infidels.

Can't wait to see their GoPro videos of the massacre.:(
 

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Nothing Fred. It's envy.

I thank God every morning for being born here. Would you ever think to leave the US if our Country had Assad or some other tyrant dictator as our ruler? Would you flee like they're fleeing Syria? There are Syrian Rebels fighting but their up against Russia too.

Hell no you wouldn't. You would stand and fight.

...and some people say the 2nd Amendment is out dated.

But what if you had been beaten down since birth? ,... born bread and raised to have no hope, just survive? Didn't have a 2nd Amendment?
 

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TWilight: You do make a good point. I find myself sort of forgetting that I myself am actually a government employee now - at a public college. Sigh...
 

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it certainly is not envy!!!, if you watched any news other than fox you guys might find out that your country is hated because you are always involved if not the main cause of most of the conflicts or wars going on around the world, you ( by you i mean your government or the puppets that represent it, not personally) are seen by the rest of the world as warmongerers..not the freedom police you are brainwashed to think you are….your country is in trillions of debt yet you find billions to wage wars on people that dont conform your 'murica', your police kill your own citizens in cold blood, you have 'freedom of speech' yet huntdown and jail whistleblowers for over a hundred years that speak out against a tyrannical government which you whole constitution is all about!!!….there is no envy there, retune your tv's or do some research..your country isnt what you think it is
 

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it certainly is not envy!!!, if you watched any news other than fox you guys might find out that your country is hated because you are always involved if not the main cause of most of the conflicts or wars going on around the world, you ( by you i mean your government or the puppets that represent it, not personally) are seen by the rest of the world as warmongerers..not the freedom police you are brainwashed to think you are….your country is in trillions of debt yet you find billions to wage wars on people that dont conform your 'murica', your police kill your own citizens in cold blood, you have 'freedom of speech' yet huntdown and jail whistleblowers for over a hundred years that speak out against a tyrannical government which you whole constitution is all about!!!….there is no envy there, retune your tv's or do some research..your country isnt what you think it is
The Rantings of an Anti American Bullshit Artist....a Fool who believes the Liberal and Foreign Press...you are what I think you are...A Damn Fool., whose country was no doubt saved by the blood of our soldiers in times of war..
 

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I had to go fast and click the Like button for what Hoot said regarding what Supachip1 said. It is very clear that some members here have their head stuffed where the sun never shines so if that shoe fits, wear it!

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Nothing Fred. It's envy.

I thank God every morning for being born here. Would you ever think to leave the US if our Country had Assad or some other tyrant dictator as our ruler? Would you flee like they're fleeing Syria? There are Syrian Rebels fighting but their up against Russia too.

Hell no you wouldn't. You would stand and fight.

...and some people say the 2nd Amendment is out dated.

But what if you had been beaten down since birth? ,... born bread and raised to have no hope, just survive? Didn't have a 2nd Amendment?
Look around you! We do have an Assad or "Some other tyrannical dictator" running this country!

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it certainly is not envy!!!, if you watched any news other than fox you guys might find out that your country is hated because you are always involved if not the main cause of most of the conflicts or wars going on around the world, you ( by you i mean your government or the puppets that represent it, not personally) are seen by the rest of the world as warmongerers..not the freedom police you are brainwashed to think you are….your country is in trillions of debt yet you find billions to wage wars on people that dont conform your 'murica', your police kill your own citizens in cold blood, you have 'freedom of speech' yet huntdown and jail whistleblowers for over a hundred years that speak out against a tyrannical government which you whole constitution is all about!!!….there is no envy there, retune your tv's or do some research..your country isnt what you think it is
Examples please. I am sure YOUR enlightened media sources will make them easy to provide. I will save my response until your examples have been posted. Thank you.



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Bottom Line for Me: Yes America is no longer great...but not because we watch "Fox" {does anybody that really watches Fox{I'm guessing Super has never watched it} think that Shep Smith, Juan Williams, and that Rodeo Clown Geraldo are really "Right Wing Conservtives"...give me a break! Anyway, we are no longer great, because the dumbest of the dumb decide to become "Journalists" and teachers and worship the NEA{my wife has been a teacher for 35 years so don't go there, she agrees with me on this} and fills both early childhood and secondary students heads full of meaningless BS...one reason, among many, why we are falling behind...the second and most important reason is Immigration:

This is NOT 1751 when my GGGG-Grandfather came over in the Ship "Janet" from Germany to make a better life, or even 1858 when my Irish GGG-Grandfather came over via boat....they came over to this country for Freedom and an Opportunity...today most come over, not for "freedom" but to "Freeload" off the backs of the taxpayers and workers....there are exceptions, but does anybody think that 10,000 Syrian Refugees are coming here to work? No they are coming here to get in on the "freebees" then bring there own perverted lifestyle and religion{cult} for us to bow down to...look no farther than Dearborn, Michigan.

And the rest who bitch about our "Nation Building", I bet your ancestors were not saying the same, when we, along with some help from out partners, stopped Hitler and the Japs ....if not for American Troops and American Nukes, your asses would be speaking German or Japanese....so spare me the BS about US....sure Obama Sucks and his supporters are fools....but don't lay that on me or those that agree...because If I had my way, the Middle East could go to Hell and continue to slaughter each other like they have been for thousands of years, and Europe and others could and would continue to sink under the weight of their Socialist, Secular, Agenda, and the influx of the hoards or Islamic Refugees....

I would not spend a dime on any of them....except perhaps Israel.
 

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The Rantings of an Anti American Bullshit Artist....a Fool who believes the Liberal and Foreign Press...you are what I think you are...A Damn Fool., whose country was no doubt saved by the blood of our soldiers in times of war..
I see that you have edited your original post! Whats wrong with recommending that a member go do something to himself?:confused:

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