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My Yuasa battery failed after three years so I ordered a Shorai lithium battery on Saturday.

Wondering if anyone else is using one and if there are any comments about its performance?

I ordered a charger as well.
 

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PP,

I do not have mine yet, but it's on the list. Looking at them I just don't see a downside. I don't even think the price is bad compaired to the performance.

Hopefully Rainman will provide some input, I believe he's had his Shori for a year or so, and has expressed being pretty happy with it.



I am still planning on the kicker . . . just because I'm anal.






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I really don't see the advantage of a Li-ion / Shori battery. The cost at least 3 times as much and according to the factory FAQ's they last about twice as long.



http://www.shoraipower.com/t-faq.aspx



The weight savings is impressive but insignificant. I doubt anyone can tell while riding a TW200 whether or not it has an light or heavy battery in it.



The fact that it has no fluid in it and can be mounted in any position is also impressive but again, regarding the TW200 insignificant. My TW has been on its side many, many, many times. Loss of battery fluid has not been a problem. It's small size means extra packing material in the battery box to keep in it place which if it breaks down the battery will rattle around and maybe get damaged. Its greater cranking power? So what if the engine starts a few seconds sooner.



Personally I think it a better deal to buy a less expensive battery (AGM battery?) and apply the savings to a kick starter -- a greater return on the money spent. As usual, IMHO.



And to those who want the latest and greatest I say buy the Shori.
 

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I've had my Shorai for most of a year now. And after taking many things into consideration, I feel it was $$ well spent. Sure, lead acid is fine, pluses are price, dependable, simple. Minus side, corrosion, maintenance, shelf life. I know, many of you have had lead acid batteries last for 5+ years in your bike, I have had lithium batteries last that long in my laptops & power tools, so I am hoping to see similar life with the Shorai. Weight is not a factor here. The padding around the Shorai to fit the battery box is dense & of high quality, & will not break down & rattle around.



If you want to put your $$ into the places where you can have the best saddle up & go experience with your bike, this is one of them. (In my opinion.) m.
 

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I recently bought a 2009 that had just had it's battery replaced. A few weeks later the new one completely died. Probably a broken plate or something. That's 2 batteries in 3 years. I got a Ballistic Performance lithium battery from Amazon. Did not care much about size and weight, just don't want to think about it, even if I don't put a charger on it for a while. I just don't care for something that is supposed to do something, like provide electricity, but doesn't. I like my new battery - it starts my motorcycle.
 

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Personally I think it a better deal to buy a less expensive battery (AGM battery?) and apply the savings to a kick starter -- a greater return on the money spent. As usual, IMHO.
I have to agree. The $30 AGM battery I bought off of eBay has been great, holds a charge for months and the first one I had lasted for 5 years, I am on my second year of my second AGM battery, doing fine. I could scarcely ask for more.
 

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Because I live at the virtual end of the line, I have to fly my battery in. AGM batteries even when dry are red label cargo so this was a deciding factor.

I ordered a battery from Shorai with a FedEx delivery. The new unit is 2/3s of the way here now currently delayed in transfer to a northern airline. The battery left California yesterday and is in Ottawa Ontario this morning.

Meanwhile I am hooking up a battery charger to fire up the TW and just leaving it idling while I am doing errands.

I am very curious about this new unit and anxious to try the new technology in this battery
 

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Good Morning All,



For me there is no 'wrong answer' here. Seems to me that some like the install and forget ability of the Li batterys with there insainly slow discharge rate, some like the size weight savings, some like the price/good dependability of the newer LA batterys.



Either way, I don't see any battery choice as a replacement for a kickstarter as the battery is only one component of the starting system. My bike also bumpstarts easily, but usually when out riding, the places I may stall it are by thier very nature not suitable for bumping it over.



Great info guys, thanks!



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Sadly I cannot give a user report on the Shorai battery I ordered. FedEx delivery is always a problem for us. The shipment got to Ottawa very quickly but then it took ten days for the last leg.

What a pain!

I will try to remember to report on it next summer.
 

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Bought mine a year and a half ago. And the rep of this battery lives up to the new age of batteries. When sitting idle for months and cranks like the day I bought it? The bike has sat idle during the winter, low draw on these batteries when sitting. Light weight no biggie as I could lose a few pounds to make up the difference. No fluids is a trend for anyone destined to dump the bike. All I can say to neysayers this battery is for real and the cutting edge of where batteries are going. I myself am hooked.
 

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Wondering if anyone else is using one and if there are any comments about its performance?


I bought a Shorai for the BMW this August, but I use an AGM for the TW. In the Beemer, the battery is extremely critical, since the Canbus system will not allow anything on the bike to work below a certain voltage....no bumpstart, no nothing....call a tow truck! The stock Exide AGM battery in the BMW has had a history of stranding people due to internal shorts.




In the TW, all I wanted was a new dry battery, as the stock Yuasa had been sitting for a year and a half and wouldn't hold a charge. The AGM has been flawless, but I do keep a Battery Tender Jr. on it in the winter. No kickstarter, but it never failed to start.



The next battery I buy for the TW will probably be a Shorai, mostly because of it's incredibly long storage ability.
 

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== superb battery--Stays charged and spins the TW starter like a champ--Small and light too---I will never go back to old style lead acid or AGM ===
 

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I've been wanting to use a Shorai,but,every time I start to go that way I read of someone having a "melt down" of sorts....now keep in mind that i've only read of this 2 or maybe 3 times.Each case however the user has installed extra heated this or that to their bike?.don't know if that has that much to do with it or not?.I'll probably go Shorai anyway?.
 

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There is also the Antigravity brand out there.





Antigravity Batteries is a company dedicated to building the best battery available for Motorsports. We build innovative batteries to meet the demands or racing and everyday use. We do not cut corners or use inferior battery cells in order to make a less expensive product. When you purchase Antigravity Products you are getting the highest quality available, a product built and designed here in the USA using Power Cells manufactured by the American based company that supplies Power Cells to Ford, Toyota, GM and other world class companies.









You do need to use a specific charger for the antigravity batteries.





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Statement from Shorai about battery orgin.







I am totally with you on buying USA-made goods, and I try to do so whenever I can get what I need, even if I have to pay a little more.

Unfortunately, to produce these batteries in the USA right now would mean literally doubling the prices we have, which would mean we’re out of business before we got started.

I just came back from 18 years in Japan, and the Shorai engineering was done while I was there, and most of the cell internals are Japanese as well. We assemble the batteries in China, at our factory which has QC by Shorai Inc. USA.

Please do keep in mind that Shorai Inc. itself is a 100% American company (we are not owned by our factory), that we employ 8 Americans now and a lot more to come, and that we are plowing all of our profits back into sponsorships for American riders and spending with American advertising agencies. And any profits later will stay here, too. I hope that we can get a plant going here in future (maybe Az or Tx?), when our volume is up and our costs fall.



All the Best,

David Radford

President, Shorai Inc.<

845 Stewart Dr., Suite C<

Sunnyvale, CA 94085



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I just found these batteries today called "Earth X"











EarthX, Inc. is a US company based in Colorado. The company was founded by an electrical engineer and a mechanical engineer who are passionate about riding and wanted a better alternative than the 140 year old lead acid technology. The desire to remove weight was also very important and after years of research and development, EarthX launched a full line of lithium batteries for all your power sport needs. We are proud to be an American company with a mission to have the highest quality and best performing lithium battery in the world!



Our batteries are designed to be a drop-in replacement of a standard 12 volt lead-acid battery, so no special or expensive charger is required. Our batteries will work with any vehicle charging system and “modern” lead-acid battery chargers, thanks to our built-in battery management system. And our batteries are an exceptional value given the fact they last years longer than a lead-acid battery.



There is a lot of talk about lithium batteries these days, but not all lithium batteries are equal. There are dozens of different types of chemistry used in lithium batteries. Our batteries use cells made of Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4) chemistry that was developed in the U.S.A. This chemistry is the highest performance and safest on the market today.



Lithium batteries are fundamentally different than lead-acid batteries. The lithium cells inside the 12V battery need electronics to monitor and balance the voltage/charge of the individual cells. Other companies sell a balancing charger, which you have to plugin periodically to “top off” and balance the cells. Inside every one of our batteries is a microprocessor Battery Management System (BMS) that monitors the charge level of each cell and balances the charge when needed, protecting the cells from overcharge or over-discharge. What this means for you is more starting power, longer battery life, and the safest lithium motorsport battery on the market. All types of lithium batteries (not just ours) require a “BMS” that monitors and balances the cell charge.







http://earthxmotorsp.../our-batteries/

http://earthxmotorsp...al_111017_D.pdf
 

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On a side note....



If anyone was thinking about buying a battery bug monitor/volt meter.....



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayya5kOMmyY[/media]





Do it now, the company recently went out of business after loosing a patent infringement lawsuit.



Only a few places still have the bike version in stock. Usual price is between $30 to $40

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This is a neat alternative if you want a small battery status indicator



http://signaldynamic...chk=1&Itemid=77



 

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the recent cold snap killed my wet battery, almost bought an Li battery. instead I just bring my battery in at night. kind of a pain in the neck though & it just feels plain silly
 

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While I have had good luck with my other two Shorai's one in a quad and one in a generator, my Tw has ate shorai number 2. I keep the quad and Tw on battery tenders since they have alarm systems installed and armed most of the time. I rode the bike last weekend and I can't keep it fully charged with my tender. With the battery off the bike it steadily looses it's charge. I swapped battery tenders when the last battery went kapoot, but the quad is still fine.



I ordered up a EarthX ETX12A tonight on Amazon



I will discharge and dissect my Shorai to see what makes it tick when I get a chance.
 
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