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Sad to say but "with a little help from his friends" those would be the butt hurt Congressional Democratic Resistance, the skies might have been reached. Gridlock is their game and Democrat is their name. Since the man rode down that escalator with our gorgeous First Lady the dems have refused to allow him any win at all yet he has won at every campaign promise he made and is breaking down stone walls every day since to keep on winning. I have friends and family who are in the same camp as Troll and some others in this discussion and I find them a source of constant entertainment while maintaining my love and friendships with them. It has to suck to be on the wrong side and so often defending one's positions. Even worse is when you have to defend those positions for a full 58 more months.
Putting me on the edge with your free speech is correct but I have to sit up whenever I laugh this hard. Thank you!

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Putting me on the edge with your free speech is correct but I have to sit up whenever I laugh this hard. Thank you!

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You're welcome GaryL, I love our morning entertainment as well. If I can get a lift out of you I figure it is a good start to the day.
 

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For the dissatisfied there are many medications available...don't know if they are covered under socialism medicine though.

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Seriouslyt though...
As far as job numbers and unemployment go Bernie Sanders promised that if elected he would give anyone seeking employment a government job. That will solve everything, right?

This is from an avowed socialist who has become very successful at capitalism, here naked partying on his honeymoon in the USSR with his wife who upon election to his first public office he immediately hired. There she learned to keep a nice 15% finder's fee commission on all campaign contributions, a service still sold to this date to other aspiring Democrats. No wonder Bernie modified his claims that millionaires and billionaires are the root of all evil to just billionaires once his millionaire status became public.
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freedom of speech is one element of Democracy but I would suggest freedom of thought is even more important... I'm just say'in…. pop that little bubble and look around.... there is a big world out there.

love your stuff Fred! you are always good at injecting a little humor.
 

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Free stuff is a good thing but what gets me is no one has come forward with a plan on how it's going to work. Give the American people a real working plan and let the voters decide. Stop giving us smoke and give us some meat to chew on.
 

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Troll, we should not ride your derriere so hard. All heart felt opinions have validity and any character assassinations should be beneath us.
My feeling is just that everyone should be aware that we are fed biased interpretations based on whatever propaganda we are exposed to, irregardless of the party or source.
Thus the comments about actually viewing every candidate's speeches especially the opposition's and not just relying on editorialized summaries. I know this is hard with mainstream media in the USA today.
Difficult to be analytical rather than emotional when evaluating the source of any statistic pushed at us.
However if one actually watched the recent US State of the Union Address one could see there is progress being made on issues of concern to most Americans, and reason to be proud to be an American as well as reasons to keep America great..things like minority rights, women's rights, economic prosperity for the middle class, enhanced national security etc. While the liberal left has been obsessed with a conspiracy to reverse the last election the administration has been making progress on those traditional talking points of concern to many moderate democrats. This sort of leaves just far left goals for the Democrats to start building a platform to campaign upon once they figure out who won the first caucus. Expect different winners in the next two state caucuses. They really need to offer more than bigger government, bigger national debt, late term taxpayer paid abortions, reduced freedom as well as asset and firearm seizures.
America is actually doing fairly well it it will be an uphill battle to make the electorate unhappy, insecure and dissatisfied when they head to the polls come November.
 

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Fred there's a lot in your post that I can't disagree with, nor would I want to. I think that minority rights, womens rights, and forwarding good immigration reform and prison reform are all good things. I can't imagine living in a country that doesn't have some form of socialize medical care! I contribute to the American tax base and had a full contribution during my career in the United States. I'm not resentful of not using any of those services. You would find me to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal which I think are good things. Of all the folks on this forum that comment on my comments I find you to be the most insightful and certainly I would enjoy meeting you in person. I agree with how much bias is in the media on both sides and how critical thinking is absolutely important.
 

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Socialism is just a more socially acceptable way of saying you support an ideology that inevitably leads to your friends and family being lined up on the side of the street and shot in the head, only to fall back into the pile of human feces left there by others who could only relieve themselves in the street because they didn't have the strength to get to a restroom, because the soup made of the entrails of their fellow countrymen, which, of course, was supplied free of charge by said state, wasn't terribly nutritious, as if there were running water in this progressive utopia anyway. Everyone is equal when everyone's body is slowly decaying and being sucked down a storm drain in a nuclear winter wasteland.

But, don't worry about that, big brother will pay for your doctor visits, because don't forget, your, and your fellow citizens, are to weak and dumb to do it yourselves.

Let wisdom reign, and each man go his own way.
 

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I need you to answer my question. I'll give you a hint "Quantitative easing" vs. interest rate hikes. What was the reason for the changes? In just three years Trump has added more than half as many jobs as his predecessor did in 8 years. The stock market has grown by 40% in that same time period as well. Consumer confidence in our economy is also 30% better than at ANY time in the previous administrations 8 year reign of terror.


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gees Tom ya got me..... the America people had their collective wealth stolen by to big to fail financial institutions and those with enough wealth to buy up the real-estate that was left after the sub prime loan debacle. Your homeless problem is due primarily to that collapse. I would shudder to think of how that would have turned out.... had there not been an intervention.... the current farmers bail-out is another example during this administration. only about 30% of working Americans have 401 K's and have no capacity to take advantage of the big market. maybe you have enough wealth, many don't. trump inherited an economy that was on its way up. it will be interesting to watch when the sunset on your lowered taxes hits and you start paying off the 1 trillion USD debt that is currently on the books.

I think we just have to agree to disagree on some of these subjects
 

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What may be best for the Democratic party, and more importantly for America as a whole, is for Nancy Pilosi to resign immediately before Congressional Censure occurs. By falling on her sword and quietly stealing away her resignation could take some of the shame and blame away from the Party and let the move forward with some policy goals that Trump isn't already accomplishing.
Adam Schift however should be impeached not only for his high crimes under the exact wording of our Constitution, but as a dis-incentive for future belittlements of the Impeachment process.
What High Crimes you ask?

Sedition
"Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent towards, or resistance against established authority."
Kind of sounds like much of the House's rhetoric of "We must impeach or we cannot win the 2020 election."
If that is not a seditious act of advocating interfering with an election I don't what is.
 

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What may be best for the Democratic party, and more importantly for America as a whole, is for Nancy Pilosi to resign immediately before Congressional Censure occurs. By falling on her sword and quietly stealing away her resignation could take some of the shame and blame away from the Party and let the move forward with some policy goals that Trump isn't already accomplishing.
Adam Schift however should be impeached not only for his high crimes under the exact wording of our Constitution, but as a dis-incentive for future belittlements of the Impeachment process.
What High Crimes you ask?

Sedition
"Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent towards, or resistance against established authority."
Kind of sounds like much of the House's rhetoric of "We must impeach or we cannot win the 2020 election."
If that is not a seditious act of advocating interfering with an election I don't what is.
I have a question. Was that Nancy Pilosi copy or was that the Speaker of the House copy? If that was the House copy she destroyed government property.
 

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You referring to US code 2071which states states: “Whoever, having the custody of destroys the same, shall be fined... shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.” ?
That point is debatable since it could be argued it was only a copy. The lawyers will make money debating whether
or not Pelosi violated 18 U.S.C. § 2071, Section 2071. There are other House rules about disrespect for the House and it's proceedings that seem to have obvious application.
 

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gees Tom ya got me..... the America people had their collective wealth stolen by to big to fail financial institutions and those with enough wealth to buy up the real-estate that was left after the sub prime loan debacle. Your homeless problem is due primarily to that collapse. I would shudder to think of how that would have turned out.... had there not been an intervention.... the current farmers bail-out is another example during this administration. only about 30% of working Americans have 401 K's and have no capacity to take advantage of the big market. maybe you have enough wealth, many don't. trump inherited an economy that was on its way up. it will be interesting to watch when the sunset on your lowered taxes hits and you start paying off the 1 trillion USD debt that is currently on the books.

I think we just have to agree to disagree on some of these subjects
"Your homeless problem is due primarily to that collapse." Here again Troll you are very wrong. Sure, there are some affected by Sub Prime Loan debacle but the vast majority of the homeless issues in the US stem largely from mental illness and drug addictions. California gets the lion's share of these useless individuals simply because of the weather and their leniency regarding drugs and homelessness. This will bankrupt that already bankrupt state unless it gets taken care of quite quickly. They could offer free housing to these folks but most prefer to be right where they are and doing exactly what they are doing. They come here in the summer months and my town has tried in desperation to help them but they prefer to pitch makeshift camps and to be left alone. When the weather turns they either disappear to warmer climates or some freeze and die.
 

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I thought there was no political discussion on here. But, I am enjoying reading all of it...
Many years ago, we had a discussion in the basement “Off Topic” section that got a little out of hand, resulting in various members calling each other less than complimentary names. This breached the cardinal rule, which says “Thou shall not insult each other”. At the time, political discussion was seen as the culprit, and subsequently banned in search of a quieter life.

The truth of the matter, is we had a couple of shit stirrers in here, who seized on the opportunity to do what they do best. They were warned, moved on, or banned. Fast forward a few years, and we gradually relaxed the “no politics” rule, and so far it’s been OK. But as soon as it starts getting personal, we’re ready to delete posts and entire threads if necessary. The old time members know this, and mind their P’s and Q’s, and keep the number of political discussions to a minimum. So far, it’s worked out fine, but still monitored closely behind the scenes.

That sticky remains up to remind us what happens if things get out of control, but the bottom line is that it was the insults that closed things down, not the subject matter. To minimise the risk of this happening again, we keep political discussions down to a minimum, but try not to go the “total suppression” route. This allows for a more relaxed atmosphere, and we get to know each other a bit better because of it.

This approach has worked so far, but it’s always “subject to review” – your co-operation is what allows this, and it’s appreciated …..
 

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gees Tom ya got me..... the America people had their collective wealth stolen by to big to fail financial institutions and those with enough wealth to buy up the real-estate that was left after the sub prime loan debacle. Your homeless problem is due primarily to that collapse. I would shudder to think of how that would have turned out.... had there not been an intervention.... the current farmers bail-out is another example during this administration. only about 30% of working Americans have 401 K's and have no capacity to take advantage of the big market. maybe you have enough wealth, many don't. trump inherited an economy that was on its way up. it will be interesting to watch when the sunset on your lowered taxes hits and you start paying off the 1 trillion USD debt that is currently on the books.

I think we just have to agree to disagree on some of these subjects
We can agree to disagree BUT again people need to do their own homework!
You confidently profess "only about 30% of working Americans have 401k's and have no capacity to take advantage of the big market". What you left out of that salacious statement??????? An estimated 79% of all US workers are offered the option of a 401K but only 32% of employees take advantage of that!!! So it turns out there is plenty of "capacity" to take advantage of the "big market" .

The other piece of your analogy that falls apart, at least in my first hand experience. "those with enough wealth to buy up the real-estate that was left after the sub prime loan debacle". Has anyone else on here actually ATTEMPTED to purchase any of those foreclosed homes!?!? While it may prove to be anecdotal my experience was terrible! I had the money to invest "modestly" but found both banks AND federal lending institutions just sitting on the properties waiting for market values to rebound. They listed the properties "probably required by law" but would not even return calls or emails when I actually wanted to purchase one. These experiences are in the last 12 months! How many years since the housing bubble burst? I ended up buying a new home directly from a private seller this past June.

I guess you either trust the government to decide what is best for the masses or like me you simply do not. In my opinion there are just too many examples of government waste, fraud and abuse. Too few examples of government successes. To each their own I suppose.


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Tom we are obviously reading the same stats..... to invest in available 401 K's one needs consumable income, so it is nice that the companies offer but employees need available resources to participate. I am sure banks held real-estate for a stronger return they also held a significant amount of the bail-out funds in reserve as well. as far as homeless folks go, many are working and simple can't afford the inflated housing cost. In many cases middle class employees can not afford housing near where they can find work.

I don't trust Governments nor do I believe they are without corruption,waste, fraud and abuse. My personal opinion is that banks and big money are worse. corruption and big money go hand in hand..... history shows this and communities and regular folks suffer.

I'm glad that you have the modest wealth to purchase a home.... I own my home and like many have worked hard for that ownership. If it is a second property welcome to the capitalist dream. In your interest in purchasing a foreclosed property it was the bank that was your enemy not a Government agency

nice to see the January job numbers up by the way...
 
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