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Screw Em' They Lost and now they bitch about being on the Gravy Train....you can't have it both ways...after all most of the Indian Tribes were not exactly peaceful and didn't sit around eating Mushrooms, Smoking Peace Pipes, and downing Peyote....all sides want to suit history to their side...

They real history lies somewhere in~between....
 

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First of all no one lives anywhere on God's Green Earth, that didn't first kick someone else's ass out of that place first. There is no denial there. Even the Native Americans had vicious wars between themselves, committed heinous acts against other Native Americans and captured them for slaves. Most tribes treated there dogs and horses better than their women.

Secondly you can't have your cake and eat it too. There are many treaties still in existence and honored (Ya I know, many were made and then ignored by the crackers. See first sentence above.) that give Sovereign Nation status to some Native American Nations. This allows them to have their own laws (casinos), accept aid from the rest of the country, and not pay taxes like the rest of us. Yet they still benefit from the national and locale infrastructure.

As said above the conquering victors write the history.

Now where did I put that nomex suit....
 

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No one can change history, recognition for what actually happened in the the documented history goes a long way to healing wounds. Our leader getting up in our parliament saying sorry for all the shit that went down here helped both sides, indigenous and European.
 

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He can be sorry for it but he, nor you, did it. Genocide, vanquish, slaughtered, ....kick their ever liven asses .... toe may toe, toe mah toe, it don't matter.

I'm a third century descendant of European immigrants here in the US, and I'm sure I could find where some of my ancestors were vanquished by the Romans. At some point you just to got to give it up and get on with our life.
 

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Political Correctness has been getting shoved down our throats since that moron LBJ came into office, after murdering JFK...our Generation, our kids, and now Grandkids, having been getting that PC/BS shoved in our faces by the media, pop culture, and public education for 50 years, and it gets worse by the year. Some of us aren't buying it...{and yes I had to fight that bullcrap through my 7 years of college, but had the brains and soul to separate the lies from the truth....
 

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He can be sorry for it but he, nor you, did it. Genocide, vanquish, slaughtered, ....kick their ever liven asses .... Toe may toe, toe mah toe, it don't matter.

I'm third century European immigrant here in the US, and I'm sure I could find where some of my ancestors were vanquished by the Romans. At some point you just to got to give it up and get on with our life.
Correct you are DA....half my ancestors came to America from Germany by boat{1751} the other half from Ireland {1858} the Irish were treated like dogs....and I have spent years working on both sides Genealogy...and have yet to find the Irish side bitching and moaning because somebody pissed in their cereal....time to freaking move on.

However, if the Skins want to go back to living in Tee-Pees and living off the land, I am sure nobody will stop them{except the Poverty Pimps that keep them feeling like victims}
 

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Sorry Hoot, but she's a heck of a lot better looking than you, so she wins! :D

Seriously though, I know nothing about the Maidu but I have wandered all over the Navajo Nation and met quite a few of its people. I have also wandered through lots of big cities in the US and met some of the denizens therein. I'm a lot more likely to listen to the opinions of the former than the latter.

And I'm not at all likely to listen to the official story. If the official story is that everything is gonna be sunshine, I'm going back in the house for my poncho!
 

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Screw Em' They Lost and now they bitch about being on the Gravy Train....you can't have it both ways...after all most of the Indian Tribes were not exactly peaceful and didn't sit around eating Mushrooms, Smoking Peace Pipes, and downing Peyote....all sides want to suit history to their side...

They real history lies somewhere in~between....
The natives weren't perfect but, who in the heck gave them the right to come over here steal the land, kill 100 million of em' and act like nothing happened.
 

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The natives weren't perfect but, who in the heck gave them the right to come over here steal the land, kill 100 million of em' and act like nothing happened.
It's got nothing to do with rights and everything to do with reality. Like I said above, no one lives anywhere on this planet that didn't first kick some one else off that place. You can trace the origins of mankind back to the African sub continent. (Garden of Eden?) Should we all move back there and start all over again. If you really feel as though we stole this land you are in possession of stolen property. If you really feel that strongly about it give your house and property up to the nearest locale Native American tribe.

I will be right behind you, .....NOT!
 

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It's got nothing to do with rights and everything to do with reality. Like I said above, no one lives anywhere on this planet that didn't first kick some one else off that place. You can trace the origins of mankind back to the African sub continent. (Garden of Eden?) Should we all move back there and start all over again. If you really feel as thou we stole this land you are in possession of stolen property. If you really feel that strongly about it give your house and property up to the nearest locale Native American tribe.

I will be right behind you, .....NOT!
I live on a rancheria so technically it's theirs already.
 

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The natives weren't perfect but, who in the heck gave them the right to come over here steal the land, kill 100 million of em' and act like nothing happened.
It appears they took it on themselves and won...sorry the Skins don't get all of North America back, the Mexicans can't have Texas{but we have given them Mexifornia for the most part} and the Russians can't have Alaska....

Life ain't fair....Tough Sheet...

My Ancestors stole nothing from the Skins{of which I am 1/16th} as far as I know, they didn't own slaves{as far as I know} and I know for sure that I didn't do harm to any of them....so frankly, I really don't give a rat's backside about their bitching....it's all PC BS, time for them to move on....and get off the Gravy Train{along with millions of freeloading lite skinned white folks}, which will be leaving the tracks soon enough, thanks to the Kenyan and Company....
 

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See the big mistake was treating them like savages locking them on tiny reservations all those years ago. Should just let them assimilate. The ones that did were successful and you won't find their offspring on a reservation today.
 

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I've been thinking about this stuff a lot lately. Definitely genocide, and a lot of denial. I don't believe all of the Native Americans were innocent angels in paradise either, but that doesn't change the facts of what happened. Not to mention the buffalo...ever seen the pictures of unbelievably massive piles of buffalo skulls?

This is all very conceptually near to me, as I am also an English major, and am bound for CSUSB in the near future. I'm not sure whether or not the way she handled the situation was the best way. Maybe it wasn't, but maybe it was. It is getting attention, after all.

This reminds me of something my literature professor said in class today, pointing to Darth Vader as an example of the wise old sage and mentor character archetype. It was clear her Star Wars knowledge was sorely lacking; I pointed out that she actually meant Yoda, to which the class audibly agreed immediately. At first she tried to defend her assertion that it was Darth Vader, but after some light debate, she gave it up. I can be very stubborn in defending myself when I know I'm right. To be fair to her, she may well have been thinking of Darth Vader, but meaning Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine, who of course did act as a mentor to Anakin, who later became Darth Vader. Ok, Geek Rant done. Over and out.
 

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Yes they do and often ignore the truth.
Part of the issue however is confused by the application of moral standards of 2015 to violence which occurred 150 years ago.
Hmm. You do bring up an interesting point, I have to admit. I'm inclined to strongly disagree, but then I realize that my disagreement may largely stem from the aforementioned present-day moral standards, so...hmm. I like to bring up the whole vegetarian thing here. The average American today sees nothing morally wrong with killing and eating animals. I'm willing to bet that will be totally flipped in about another 150 years or so, at which point killing and eating another living creature will be considered utterly horrific and totally unacceptable by nearly every American citizen. So I suppose the same sort of logic can be applied to the Native American genocide situation (no, I'm not calling Native Americans animals, although many viewed them in a similar light, and still do today). It just wasn't necessarily viewed that way hundreds of years ago. For the record, I am still bothered by those atrocities (as many consider them today). I'm also vegetarian, but not Vegan, so I guess I can sort of see both perspectives (think PETA poster boy vs. stereotypical, bacon and beef, redneck farmer). That being said, if I really stop and think, I think that eating dairy is probably very wrong and horrible, especially if you consider the appalling conduct of many dairy farmers. I may go vegan, or I may not... I can literally write books on this stuff (and I actually may do that some day!). Vegetarian/vegan, US meat industry, disgusting contamination of an alarming percentage of American meat, Native American genocide (DEEP research into Native American history and culture needed in order to maintain balance of reason), history by the victors, the lies and deceit of mankind, etc.
 
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