I got tiny, small, intermediate and large sizes of vice grips in the home tool box, the Jeep tool bag and the motorhome tool box. I got small, intermediate and large hammers in all the same. I read quite some time ago, either in a Jeep forum or a motorhome forum that one fella said he not only didn't have any form of vice grips in his possession but, would NEVER use any also. I thought, hmmmm, this boy's never really done any REAL headache work on various mechanical things. He definitely got a series of responses concerning the use of vice grips. You use the proper and correct tool for the job. But, if that doesn't work, then the HAMMER or the VICE GRIPS are called up as a SWAT TEAM!