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By now you know why we got together. Like others, I didn't take many pictures and hopefully, none are incriminating for anyone! Now I'll tell my side of the story without too much lying! :p

Dry Day = Day 1 early arrivals

Wet Day = Day 2 We got wet

Even Wetter Day = Day 3 We quit and went home without riding



The Dry Day. A 90 mile ride on the TW's for the early arrivals :)

Fred gets the directions for the coast from mhomadness. I'm suspicious if we were meant to return for dinner later in the evening!


We talk it over and decide this was not mhomadesses fault and ride on. Besides, it's not raining!


We ride out to Point Arena Lighthouse.


The Lighthouse


Water on the shore by the lighthouse


We, and by we I mean Fred and Rider21, that we had enough extra fuel for mountain redbelly if he ran out so we could ride up to Elk and then back to Boonville. I pretended to not hear what they were talking about. Apparently, mountain redbelly believed them so off we rode and got to see more pretty water and rocks, by the cliffy shore place.


And then we went back to camp

End of Dry Day
 

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Boonville Ride Day 2 The Wet One

Fairly accurate TW depiction for today's ride!



While we were still sleeping, some people from dryer less rainy places showed up to ride with us. Jomama, Joeband, Joedad, TW-Brian, Evan


After me and Mrs. Admiral woke up we discovered some other people were getting ready to go. SanDue's




We had high hopes and great attitudes that we'd get to ride.


Unfortunately, it was raining harder and harder the closer we got to the coast so we turned around and headed back to camp. As you read in earlier reports, some rescuing had to be done over at the brewery. I played it safe and stayed at camp. I will admit I did drink about 3/4 of the stuff that was brought by that one person...it was good!:p



The next day we broke camp and headed back home. As luck would have it, we traded rain for snow and sometimes the going was oh so slow.


I said this in the main Boonville thread but will repeat it here:

Great time we had.

Thanks a ton mhomadness & Karen for hosting. Having toilets and showers was a big bonus so those without self-containment could perform functions without hiding behind sagebrush, tree or Dolly’s (camp host’s) RV!

Thanks to Karen and Sue for the grub. When cooking is done by someone else it allows me so much more time to sleep...and drink! We really appreciated all that!:p

Forum members I was so happy to finally meet: TW-Brian, Rider21, Joemama, Joeband, Joedad or Jack or Jack in Bonita,

...and great to see again those I have met: Fred (special thanks to he and Marisa for hosting us on the way down), evan, plumb & company, mhomadness, mountain redbelly & wife, San & Due, Mel (when we were at Freds).
 

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Well said Admiral! Great folks. Fun enough company to almost forget that there was was a lot of water on that bridge. I may be just a backdated chuck but I know water should be under bridges, not on top.
We never got around to opening an excellent bottle of wine Mel sent down with me, I got distracted by Joemama's home made applejack moonshine in those classic mason jars. Were there three of them jars or was I just seeing things after a few sips?
Wine will go to Moab where there is more refined T-Dubbery capable of appreciating Mel's vinicultural wisdom.

Really outstanding videos!
 

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Fantastic video footage Admiral! :icon_salut:

For those of you who did not attend this ride but would like to enjoy a "Virtual Reality" experience, please watch the video of day two while pouring a large glass of cold water down the front of your pants! :laughing3::happy4::laughing6::laughing5::toothy2:

Thanks to a generous fellow who brought some special antifreeze, little pain was felt or remembered.:icon_thumbright::drunken_smilie::very_drunk:

Mr & Mrs Admiral came a very long way to attend this ride. I'm extremely glad they were able to get a look at the coast while the coast was clear. m.
 

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For those of you who did not attend this ride but would like to enjoy a "Virtual Reality" experience, please watch the video of day two while pouring a large glass of cold water down the front of your pants!
Been there done that. Late '70s/early '80s riding from Mira Mesa to Rainbow for a combat pistol match wearing a one piece riding suit on a small dual sport. Started raining, and the further I got the worse it got. Most of the way there when I turned around and went home. Was freezing (my knees WERE knocking against the motor) and I could actually feel the stream of water coming in at my neck and flowing all the way down and coming out at my ankles.
 

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Thanks for the report. That looked like a beautiful place to ride with some nice twisty roads.
This was the most amount of pavement miles I have ever put on the TW. The twisty mountain roads were a blast, even at my slow pace. No need to go fast if I'm still having fun right?

Both the Mountain View road from Boonville to Point Arena or the road which leads to it, and the mountain road (I don't know the name) which went from Elk back to Boonville were oh so much fun.

Except for my gloves, (hands), I actually stayed dry on the rain ride. (Thank you Mrs. Admiral for buying the good rain gear)! Thee only problem I had on the rain day which made it not fun, was my faceshield and glasses fogging up. I think this was a problem for almost everyone.

I would go back here to ride again it was that good. The group made it that much better. It was sad to see it raining when we woke up on day 3.
 

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You might have said already, but we're you running an ATV rear tire or stock, and how did the ATV do if that is the case?
Indeed I was using my Ceros ATV tire. It rode great and I felt no difference between it and a stock tire. I did not lose traction at all on the dry or wet pavement. ...but then again I'm not a footpeg dragger either.

Photo makes it look like there's little tread but that is an optical illusion. It's still has darn near "when new tread"!
 

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Thanks for the tire info. Glad to hear it worked well. I may have to put one of those on someday, but I only have 800 miles on my stock tires. I do indeed have a 241 sitting in the garage to go on the front when I get some free time not spent riding.
If it wasn't for riding in sand in Moab and the now potential of riding it here in Idaho, I wouldn't have changed to an ATV rear tire. I've found the Ceros helps me a lot riding in sand...a lot! It does really good in all trail conditions too it's just I wanted to be more comfy in sand. I guess I do remember it being better in a swampy trail I found myself in last year as well. I know with a stocker I would have been spinning and stuck but I do try to avoid mucky when I can.
 

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Fred and Admiral, you two are great salesmen for an ATV rear tire. I am wondering how the debate between you two would go over which one is best? Taking account for price, ease of mounting, traction, weight, clearance issues, and longevity?
Price=about the same.
Ease of mounting=both difficult but in most cases, the Ceros bead does not need to be trimmed like the Duro (see comments below). Because of the stock rim size, you are somewhat limited in the size tire you can get. (see below comments about the tire mod)
Traction=I have no side by side experience but it sounds like the Duro has a slight advantage in mud and snow because of its tread pattern. Both are way better than stock in sand. On road I'd give a slight advantage to Ceros because of it's more rounded profile but we don't ride them that much on pavement anyway.
Weight=about the same
Clearance=about the same when mounted on the stock rear rim with no swingarm extension. Swingarm clearance for both are way better with an extended swingarm. For the record, I'm still using the stock swingarm unmodified.
Longevity=I'd guess about the same but tread life is still in progress. I've read because the tread is so much deeper they both will last a lot longer than stock tire.


I chose the Maxxis Ceros because it was the only one I had heard of where the bead did not have to be trimmed to mount it on the stock tire. Maybe not everyone, but surely most of those who mounted a Duro had trimmed the bead and a few even blew up on them with the extreme tire pressures needed to seat the bead. The one's which blew up were more likely because of the bead trimming but this is an educated guess.

I believe each of these are difficult to mount and one needs to read the procedures other have posted. For example, I read and re-read Wrench-Pullers very funny story for achieving success with the Ceros.

Now, if you go with the trailer modification for a rear ATV tire there are some changes to my above statements.
With a trailer rim you are open to many more size options for both width and height. I'm about to complete the mod for my wife's TW and I was able to buy a narrower and shorter Ceros. This will help with swingarm clearance and weight. The negative side to this is the upfront cost of modifying an axle hub to fit on a trailer rim plus the cost of the trailer rim but this is a one time cost.
 

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Well said Admiral.
I plan to bribe Admiral with some sort of liquid refreshment in Moab to swap bikes , or at least do a side-by-side comparison in the sand and rock between Duro and Cerros tires. I imagine the more rounded profile of the Cerros would be less disconcerting in everyday riding. Yesterday I test rode Betty Boop a bit and it sure felt different from the stock TrailWing I have been riding lately on Mr.Gizmo bike, transitions from straight to cornering entail a noticeable "sensation" not felt with a rounder profile. One gets used to this and it becomes just another background TW experience. My Durro has never felt odd, unsafe, or left me wanting in aggressive asphalt cornering.
All is not peaches and cream with a ATV tire on a stock rim, servicing with the trailer wheel conversion seems so much safer. I would not do another install on a stock rim. I picked up a nail in my Duro a year ago on the eve of a three day ride. Dreading the delay in convincing a tire shop to dismount , install new tube and re-mount I elected to see if the Ride-On sealant could see me through my trip. Nail is still there, as is all the three year old pressurized air and sealant in the tire.... I know, conventional wisdom says to remove the nail before it shreds the tube further however when I pulled the nail it leaked. So I stuck the nail back in as plug, rotated parked tire so nail was at six o'clock and went back to packing and added my air compressor. Compressor remains unused.
 

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You guys are great. Thanks for the honest reviews and opinions. I think I will start watching for a rear wheel or hub so I can do the trailer wheel conversion. It seems like the best option, but I don't want to sacrifice my own rear wheel to do it.
 
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