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I noticed in another thread, that a couple members are liking Gaia. And warning, if you're not interested in any of this and you just want to post "I only use a map and compass because you can't trust electronics..."....well, please don't. :D

I've been a GPS-nut forever, well, since I bought the yellow eTrex that you had to build your own cable and kludge a connector up with a piece of an old credit card, the right sized solder blobs, and a hot glue gun. So, walking, biking, ATVing, and now TW-ing, I've always brought the GPS with me and saved lots of waypoints and tracks of each ride. Once in a while I go through the ride tracks and snip and trim and join, etc, so I have relatively organized bunches of tracks that I can stick on the GPS to cover an area I will be in, and plop some waypoints on there so I have some help navigating around and so on.

So....I always used Mapsource, and I loved it. You could save a file for whatever you wanted with tracks, points, etc...save another for something else, it could have some of the same tracks as another file had...life was good. In came Basecamp with it's database structure, and I'm not a fan. Whatever...deal.

Now, while I like my GPS units...I also like having a camera, a phone, a calculator, a 'kind of SPOT' where I can hold a button and sent out a distress call to whatever contacts I have pre-chosen along with my coordinates, etc etc... And I found out quick that a motorcycle doesn't have the cargo capacity an ATV does. You're pretty challenged in the crap-lugging department... Plus, as I get older, it's less and less fun to be keeping all these gadgets up to date and making sure this file is on that and that I transferred this to here.. My smart phone will act as a pretty good GPS, emergency message-sender, camera, geocaching gadget...and I think, possibly, it will even make phone calls. But I'm not sure on that last one...further modding may be required.

So Gaia people (or other people who may use something similar.....) I want to essentially get rid of Basecamp. I want to put my waypoints and my tracks in Gaia-land. I want to be able to see them with the computer and I want to be able to see them with the phone, AND I want them to be hosted in a central location so they are sync'd and current. (Cloud-shunners please refer to the 'paper map and compass' statement at the beginning, and just don't...okay?)
I want to be able to (within Gaia or whatever) build lists, or folders with lists in them, or lists inside of folders that are nested in other folders...I want to be able to organize my waypoints and tracks the way I do in Basecamp. I cannot stand just having all my stuff dumped into a huge bin. I like to be organized...my fishing waypoints shouldn't touch the waypoints for the hiking trip I did 3 years ago, etc etc etc.

I have tried Gaia here and there and have not found its folders and structure to be friendly at all. I'll get a couple things where I like them, then I'll export a small list as a gps and Gaia will just say that the gpx isn't readable and refuse to play ball.

Anyway...the folks that are using Gaia....have you been able to make it THE piece of software you use for organizing all your GPS data? ..or do you still keep everything in Basecamp/Mapsource and copy and paste and snip and upload?
You may think I'm nuts because I expect one 'suite' to do everything...maybe I am. But that's what I want. Just like I want my smart phone to take the place of my GPS, my camera, etc etc. I know it's not a ruggedized, waterproof GPSr..I can deal with that. I know it's not a DSLR...I can work with that as well. I don't need it to shoot a wedding. I need it to text a picture of a trout to a friend and say, "Hope you're having fun at work!!"

So...those of you that nodded your head at least 3 times while reading that, please share your experiences. Those of you that shook your head while reading, please just move along quietly. :tranquillity:
 

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I'm with you. We need a good cloud based mapping app with GPS, topo, photo to point pinning, inter-device cloud syncing and very importantly local device saving of the files in-case of signal loss, emp's etc. there needs to be a pc and mac app for more robust detailed editing but basic device editing of tracks is a must, we need multi-layering especially a LIDAR layer and topo and roads layers as well. All layers need to gave there transparencies adjustable for multi-layering. All waypoints need a way to assign notes along with the attachment of pics. And for good mearsure there needs to be an electronic compass and rfid reader for next gen geocaching (for the nerds).. really, we need this..
 

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Can't really help yet but I'm trying to transition or at least test Gaia just like you. I have copied most of my Moab gpx tracks from Basecamp to the Gaia place I created on my computer. I have not yet tried the Gaia GPS on my phone just yet so can't help. I think we may be in about the same place.

I am very comfortable with Basecamp and my Garmin etrex but I'm finding it hard to see the screen as I get older. Small screen and old eyes are why I'm trying Gaia because my phone has a much bigger screen. I know some people use even larger devices but I still to the phone if all works out.

It will be interesting to hear peoples advice.
 

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I noticed in another thread, that a couple members are liking Gaia. And warning, if you're not interested in any of this and you just want to post "I only use a map and compass because you can't trust electronics..."....well, please don't.

I know how you feel!!!!!
 

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JJ and GC. I am kinda cheap so I didn't buy a Gaia pro subscription which has a lot of the features you talk about. The $20 version does what I want , records tracks, tells me where I am at , I can add notes and pics to waypoints and preload maps for areas out of cell range. Most of the maps , are free. The layering features are not. I didn't want to buy a $500 single purpose GPS when I already have a smart phone. So for me I have what I want at a low cost. The pro is $6 a month or $40 a year. The developer seems to be very responsive you may want to contact them about your desires and or do a trial to see what it has for you.
 

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Thanks, I'll be checking them out. My NUVI just died on me :(


JJ and GC. I am kinda cheap so I didn't buy a Gaia pro subscription which has a lot of the features you talk about. The $20 version does what I want , records tracks, tells me where I am at , I can add notes and pics to waypoints and preload maps for areas out of cell range. Most of the maps , are free. The layering features are not. I didn't want to buy a $500 single purpose GPS when I already have a smart phone. So for me I have what I want at a low cost. The pro is $6 a month or $40 a year. The developer seems to be very responsive you may want to contact them about your desires and or do a trial to see what it has for you.
 

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Excellent post GC, I'm following this one. I use Memory-Map in the UK and France but although excellent the coverage is limited to just a couple of countries. I've also used Sygic which has, I believe, almost whole world coverage but this seems restricted to mostly 'paved' road navigation. It does have an off road' function but the maps aren't detailed enough, very good quality nonetheless.
I love GPS and all its possibilities so I'm interested to see your results ?
 

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Oh, and I'm also one of those oddballs that geocaches. (Geocaching: Using a network of multi-billion dollar navigation satellites to hunt for Tupperware in the woods.)

So...it would be nice if whatever 'system' I was to commit to could also be used for Geocaching....I have Pocket Queries (14) that result in around 12200 caches, so this magical product would need to be able to pull those from the geocaching website, download them, and import them into the app for use in the field (as as to not use data, and/or be available when there is no cell coverage.

There are several decent geocaching apps that do that, but they pretty much just do the geocaching stuff...they're not set up for holding hundreds of tracks and categorized waypoints, all unrelated to geocaching....

Maps, I really don't care about that much; if there IS an app that's that heavily geared to all those things, I'm sure that it would have multiple options for importing offline maps from several sources, building your own overlays...

And we just finished an ice storm that left some people without power for up to 12 days, then a pretty good sized snow storm on Friday, it's -23 C (not counting wind chill) and they have just issued a blizzard warning for tonight and tomorrow; "...very strong northeasterly winds, and blowing snow resulting in blizzard conditions to much of the southern half of New Brunswick. Snowfall amounts between 25 and 55 cm is expected with winds gusting up to 100 km/h. "

If I hear one of you SOBs talk about how you got up this morning and went for a nice ride, I swear to God..... ;-)
 

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Gc seriously you should open a dialog with the Gaia developer.
 

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I've been kicking Locus Map Pro around for a couple days now...and wow. I think I installed the free version some time ago, but I wasn't trying to accomplish the same thing as I am now, so I just looked at it, and went on with trying other software.

After using it thoroughly, I'm impressed. It has a crazy amount of options; some that I had looked for in other apps and weren't present, and a lot that I never thought of or would never need but others would.
Just about anything that I wanted to do was easily done, and it's like they knew people would want to do it, and designed it in...rather than it being possible, but needing 10 extra steps to accomplish it.
It's also the only app that I tried that made it relatively easy to import pocket queries. Only catch is you need to download them, then transfer them to the phone, or drop them in a Google Drive or Dropbox folder. Then you can just select all, and import. Other nicely thought-out options also exist, like a check box to automatically empty the folder before an import starts, etc. All other apps I tried required me to select a PQ, download it, then wait while it extracts, then when it finished, download the next, extract it....painful process when you have 14 of them. Locus is pretty much 'drag them into dropbox, hit IMPORT, and away it goes."

It has a free geocaching plugin...live maps, log on the fly, etc etc...

Offline maps are pretty decent...the meat of the maps are in Europe, but there's lots of content for North America. When you buy the Pro version ($9), you get some Locus coins as a 'gift'. I believe I got 4...some apps make you fiddle with little squares of offline content...I just selected my province as the first one to pull down, then Nova Scotia, then PEI. That cost me 3 of the 4 coins, and I still have one left. That said, you can download maps from outside the Locus 'circle of friends', etc, if you want.

Waypoints are organized nicely in folders, and you can set a custom icon for each folder, and all the waypoints can have custom icons. It comes with the usual set of Garmin icons plus a set from Locus. The same goes for tracks. If you're like me and like to keep stuff organized and tidy, it seems to be pretty painless to keep waypoints and tracks organized in folders, and if you use some sort of an icon system, there are filters that can sort by icon, distance, etc etc. You can also snap a phone pic, or audio clip and attach it to the waypoint.

I used SideSync and worked with the phone screen on my laptop screen for a good part of yesterday...getting to know it, making folders, sorting through my data in basecamp, exporting it, then importing it into Locus, making new waypoints and tracks....For the hours and hours I used it, I didn't experience one crash, hang, or lockup.

It's ONE SIMPLE CLICK on either one waypoint or track OR several waypoints or tracks OR a filtered search of waypoints or tracks OR a whole folder of waypoints tracks to show or hide them on the map. Did you hear that GARMIN??? DID YOU??? You don't have to go into the properties of each and every track and select 'show on map' to be able to see it. Those who have had to do it will know what I'm talking about.

The only thing lacking is the cloud that would be the link between a PC/MAC application and your phone....but the app is really friendly for editing and moving waypoints...the only thing I'd really want to work with on a larger screen would be editing tracks....but, whatever....for the amount of time it would take to transfer the track to the PC, edit with Mapsource, then transfer back...meh...I can live with it.
Speaking of Mapsource......I cut my teeth on it and used it for years. I LIKED the folder structure, and I LIKED the way the track editing was done. I used Basecamp because my newer GPS wouldn't work with Mapsource.
Guess what? Basecamp, meet The Curb. I can go back to Mapsource.....

You can easily export-to-GPX selected waypoints, or an entire folder of waypoints. (Same for tracks)

Backups can be customized easily, and set to run every day, week, etc etc. You can back up some or all of your data, and settings as well. It generates a .zip file, and restoring works the way it should (I tested it..installed fresh, restored from a saved backup, and everything was right back it was before, settings and preferences as well. It did NOT back up the offline maps that I downloaded, but I saved that folder as a precaution, so it was as easy as pasting the saved folder back in its original location. I really do think that it would save your downloaded offline maps, because it does everything else....I likely just didn't stumble across the option to include them..and I'm a learn-by-doing person, and only go to the user guide if I'm really stumped.

It also has an option to use map north or magnetic north, options around when to use the hardware compass and when (what speeds) to switch back and forth from to the GPS, you can apply transparent overlays, adjust and align them, even correct maps that were intentionally published with an offset. (Can you say hardcore...?) Essentially, if there CAN be an option to do something, customize or tweak something, there likely IS.

Also, when you open any option or settings menu, and select an option to change, there's a little spiral notebook icon which links to their website and opens the user guide to the section that speaks directly to the option that you're looking at. And it actually goes in-depth and tells you what you can do and what the result will be. Garmin gives you 4 pages, and the first 2 tell you how to put the batteries in and turn it on. (okay, maybe a little more than 4 pages...but you're still on your own for most advanced operations with the big-G)

The amount of waypoints and tracks you pump into it doesn't seem to bog it down unless you have a stupid amount of stuff displayed IN the screen area. Once stuff is moved off-screen while scrolling and panning, it's no longer in the running for resources.
Oh, and I 'showed' everything (484 waypoints, 12916 geocaches, and 465 tracks (some of them over 200km long)...and with ALL that on the screen, it was pretty chuggy. Keeping in mind that it's running on a phone...... It wasn't chuggy to the point where it was locking up and freezing...it was just slow to pan and redraw. Zooming in some brought the speed right back, and zoomed in to a level I'd use while exploring it gained all its speed right back and worked nice and smooth.

I can't fault it for not having data stored in the cloud, and for not having a PC app...it just doesn't. If it did, and they didn't work, that would be a fault Those would be really nice, and possibly they're coming in the future. The pros FAR outweigh the cons. And I counted quickly in the Google Play area and saw 16 free add-ons for it..from geocaching to GSAK to GIS to tools to look 'through' your screen and have landmarks pointed out with little info bubbles on the screen.

All in all, it's easy to get your head around once you start using it, when you say "Urg, I need to xxxxxx", there's probably an xxxxxx option. It's very well-designed by people who obviously live, eat, and breath this stuff.
 

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Garmin IMG files are supported. Just opened mapsource, selected 3 provinces worth of Topo Canada tiles, sent them to an SD card as GPMAPSUPP.IMG, renamed it to whatever I wanted, then dropped it into the map folder.
Can pan around the whole map, zoom, etc. All offline in Airplane mode. Liking this more and more....

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