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Greetings,



First time poster and excited new TW owner... well almost! I take delivery Monday on a 2012. I am SUPER excited to get back 'into' riding. I am 44 years old and have been 'out of it' for awhile. The TW200 will be a great way to 'break-in' my wife to riding.



As far as ethanol goes. Should I or should I not use ethanol in my brand new bike? I work at a marina and we have R90 gas, of which is ethanol free and 90-octane. I would appreciate any feedback, thanks.



This looks like awesome forum and I look forward to swapping stories with my fellow TW'ers



Ride safe,

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Go for the non-ethanol version if it's available to you.



Ethanol blows.
 

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Greetings,



As far as ethanol goes. Should I or should I not use ethanol in my brand new bike? I work at a marina and we have R90 gas, of which is ethanol free and 90-octane. I would appreciate any feedback, thanks.



Ride safe,

Matt Ward


Welcome!



Lots of technical advice as well as plenty of opinion here on ethanol, just search.



Bottom line: If you can get real gas, do so. If you have to use E10 occasionally no problem, just don't leave it in your tank over the winter or use an additive like StarTron. There is a small but definite performance and mileage loss in our underpowered bikes with E10, which evens out the price difference.
 

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Stupid question, but it used to be easy to tell if a pump was ethanol. Now there is so much fine print I can't tell any more. Are they still required to say? Does anybody specifically know what Speedway has? You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Speedway in my neck of the woods. Trying to avoid ethatnol at all costs for my chainsaws.



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I have used non-ethanol since the day I bought my nike until I ran out of gas near a gas station that only had E-10. Now I can honestly say, it DOES make a difference. If you have to then you have to but I go out of my way to get ethanol-free gas for my TW.
 

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Greetings,



As far as ethanol goes. Should I or should I not use ethanol in my brand new bike?



Matt Ward


Become part of the no ethanol backlash!!



Every time you talk to any gas station attendant (or better yet, the manager) tell him that you would pay 10 cents more a gallon for real gas!

Tell him that your moto, lawn mower, chain saw, boat, weed whacker, etc. doesn't run worth sh** on ethanol and you just spent $500 having all their fuel systems cleaned and if he doesn't at least try to offer non-ethanol you won't be coming back no matter how low his prices are.!!!!!!



In my neck of the woods, station owners are starting to get the message and I see new signs adverising "NO ETHANOL!" "REAL GAS!" "OUR GAS HAS NO ETHANOL!"

Every time I see one I buy gas there and go in and congratulate the owner and tell him how happy I am that I can get non-ethanol gas for all of the above.



It could become a movement....well, actually it already is in some parts.
 

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Do not try to run boat gas as the highway taxes have not been collected and you will likely eventually get caught. Do not run ethanol, either. Find a station with real gas or buy 91 octane E10 and remove the ethanol to yield a ~88 octane E0. Even if you lose 10% of your fuel by volume, you'll gain in the long run because your fuel efficiency will improve by 15-20%.



Expect 5-7mph difference in top speed between E10 and E0.



Some states require pumps to be labeled, some do not, and some only sometimes. Google is your friend.



Fuel stabilizers don't really work with ethanol. Best they can do is double storage life from 4-6 weeks to 8-12 weeks. Gasoline, on the other hand, can be stored for years with stabilizer.
 

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Real (no ethanol) gas is so much better. I'm overwintering small engines with SEF racing fuel w/treatment. I would like to have the option up in this neck of the woods. OM

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Working in a marina you must have access to Evinrude products? They sell a product that goes by the label of "2+4" and it is designed for use in all 2 stroke and 4 stroke engines.




Amazon is selling it for some marina company for $26 USD with another $7 for shipping for 32 oz. What volume of gasoline would 32 oz treat?



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Thanks for all the info everyone... After a little research I found a GREAT website that lists 'ethanol-free' gas stations in the State you live in. Go to: pure-gas.org
 

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Amazon is selling it for some marina company for $26 USD with another $7 for shipping for 32 oz. What volume of gasoline would 32 oz treat?



Dan


I use something called StarTron from Starbrite Co. that does the same thing as 2+4. It's available in auto parts stores at $10 or so, maybe less if found at Walmart, and treats 128 gallons in the 8 oz. size. That's probably two years of riding for most of us.



I use it whenever I have to use E10, and in the fall for the last tank or two which I make sure is real gas, in both the T-dub and the BMW, which is far more sensitive to E10 problems. I've never had a a problem with storage.





The problem I have with puregas.org is that it doesn't list hundreds of stations that do in fact sell non-ethanol. Given time, though, it will.
 

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I use something called StarTron from Starbrite Co. that does the same thing as 2+4. It's available in auto parts stores at $10 or so, maybe less if found at Walmart, and treats 128 gallons in the 8 oz. size. That's probably two years of riding for most of us.



I use it whenever I have to use E10, and in the fall for the last tank or two which I make sure is real gas, in both the T-dub and the BMW, which is far more sensitive to E10 problems. I've never had a a problem with storage.





The problem I have with puregas.org is that it doesn't list hundreds of stations that do in fact sell non-ethanol. Given time, though, it will.




Just checked Walmart's site. My local stores don't carry it, but they do carry Stabil Ethanol treatment. Does that do the same thing?



http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sta-Bil-Automotive-Ethanol-Treatment-12ct/17182075?findingMethod=rr
 

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OMC 2 Plus 4 has changed its formulation over the years. According to the various MSDSs, 2+4 ranges from 90 to 97% isopropyl alcohol. Price is much cheaper at your local drug store, where isopropyl alcohol is sold as "rubbing alcohol." But what the heck do I know, I just run an academic research lab studying the effects of alternative fuels and additives on various engines in real world applications.
 

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Just checked Walmart's site. My local stores don't carry it, but they do carry Stabil Ethanol treatment. Does that do the same thing?



http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sta-Bil-Automotive-Ethanol-Treatment-12ct/17182075?findingMethod=rr




WHOAH! $90 for a bottle that only treats 25 gallons!!!!! Something is wrong here.



I'm sure you can find StarTron online for 1/10 that amount and it will treat 128 gallons. It's not really a stabilizer, it's an enzyme. Read up on it. Some of the claims are overblown, but I do think it works.
 

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I use something called StarTron from Starbrite Co. that does the same thing as 2+4. It's available in auto parts stores at $10 or so, maybe less if found at Walmart, and treats 128 gallons in the 8 oz. size. That's probably two years of riding for most of us.



I use it whenever I have to use E10, and in the fall for the last tank or two which I make sure is real gas, in both the T-dub and the BMW, which is far more sensitive to E10 problems. I've never had a a problem with storage.





The problem I have with puregas.org is that it doesn't list hundreds of stations that do in fact sell non-ethanol. Given time, though, it will.




I use Fuelmenics.com and have tested eight other gas and diesel additives. You can take Fulemedics and add water to it and it is gone. StarTron from Starbrite Co. is a joke when water is introduced,including Sta-Bil, it will not absorb it. I do not sell this stuff nor do I promote anything that I have not tested and use myself.

Fuelmedics.com



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I keep a couple cans of real gas for all my two stroke toys and have a can of e10 for my mower



Depending On Price I usually have one of the following on my garage shelf.



My Mom keeps her rv at my house. It's too expensive to fill it with real gas at $4.80 gallon. So $4.09 E10 it is.



$360.00 Vs $306.00 To fill the tank



Sta-Bil Blue Marine Formula http://www.goldeagle...roduct01A7.aspx



Phaseguard 4 http://www.fisheries...spx?cid=196472



Biobor®EB https://www.portsupp...:productDisplay



I'm always drizzling a little seafoam into all the gas I buy
















 

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WHOAH! $90 for a bottle that only treats 25 gallons!!!!! Something is wrong here.



I'm sure you can find StarTron online for 1/10 that amount and it will treat 128 gallons. It's not really a stabilizer, it's an enzyme. Read up on it. Some of the claims are overblown, but I do think it works.




I believe that's $90 for a case. It it says "12 ct," so I'm assuming it's more along the lines of $7 and change per bottle.



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I'm with Qwerty on this one. Most fuel driers contain methyl alcohol, which causes water to collect in the bottom of the tank out of harm's way. Ethanol does the same thing. Isn't that what we're trying to avoid?



That's great in a modern car tank, but hell on steel motorcycle tanks. Add to that the fact that we have a gravity feed system with a float bowl below the bottom of the tank and guess where all that water is gunna settle.



Isopropyl puts the moisture in suspension where it can get burned off as you ride. Pure or 99% isopropyl is harder to find than 91% drug store rubbing alcohol but it's still dirt cheap relative to fuel additives.
 
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