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Right now I have a CRF230L and a CB900 - I'll probably keep the CRF because it's an awesome DS bike being only 260 pounds - but I'm thinking about trading the CB900. I love the bike, it has 55k miles (36k of which are mine) and it has never let me down...but the one thing I don't like is the weight. It's a handful trying to get it turned around in tight spots, and if you're pointing down any sort of incline you're screwed. Ain't no way to back the thing up.

I'm looking for a lighter bike that can be thrown around a bit more and can be maneuvered around manually without a problem.

Right now I'm torn between getting a CBR600RR, and getting a super-moto type bike. I really like the DRZ400sm - Lightweight, and 30HP can be plenty of fun for what it is. Light off-road duty for exploring the rougher rocky mountain roads is a plus too - but not totally necessary because I could just use the CRF. I like the CBR600RR because it should have unparalleled handing on the fun mountain roads; but while it is about 90 pounds lighter than my CB900 it's much heavier than the DRZ.

With on-road performance being the main priority, which bike would have the best handling and overall provide the most fun? I'm aware of the drastic differences in power, but the 30 HP is more than enough for my needs. I like the DRZ's weight, and I like the CBR's overall performance and of course engine longevity...but seeing as I have rode neither (And probably won't be able to) I can't decide which one to get.

Anyone with experience on both types of bikes have any feedback?
 

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Good luck in your search! FWIW, 90 lbs. isn't going to make that much of a difference when trying to back up an incline. I'm a little biased since I have a 919 myself but I think you'll miss having a larger motorcycle for road duty if you go with the DRZ, I know I would...
 

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Good luck in your search! FWIW, 90 lbs. isn't going to make that much of a difference when trying to back up an incline. I'm a little biased since I have a 919 myself but I think you'll miss having a larger motorcycle for road duty if you go with the DRZ, I know I would...
Probably not a huge difference for overall maneuverability, but if it feels significantly lighter and more agile on the twists I'd love to own a 600. I'm just trying to figure out if a super moto would be even more agile and more fun due to the light weight, or if the 600 would be superior due to the fact that it is a race replica. Hard to say without riding both.

I'll definitely miss the badass low-end power of the 900. Damn thing will climb a mountain in 6th gear with the engine running at around 4k! Other than that though, I can live with not having 100 HP. It's fun, but 30 HP on a 300 pound bike is damned fun too. I won't be able to charge up a mountain at 100 mph, but honestly I need to cut that crap out anyway before I or someone else gets hurt. But man.... The engine just sounds so badass going from 5-7k climbing a steep grade it's easy to get carried away.

What about the new Yamaha FZ-07 with 700 cc and 397 lb wet weight?
Looks to be a pretty cool bike; a 700cc standard under 400 pounds is pretty hard to come by. I'm not too fond of the styling of modern standards though...funky headlights and whatnot. Oldschool plain round headlight looks better in my opinion. Something to consider though, perhaps.
 

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Also, the only thing that concerns me with the DRZ is that suzi engines got nothin' on big red when it comes to overall smoothness, balance and longevity. If I can't get at least 50k miles out of the engine I can't really afford to buy one. I test rode a DR650 that I was thinking about buying a while back and the damn thing ran like crap compared to the 230L. Ran rough, sounded like crap and vibrated like crazy compared to the silky smooth 230L. Hell, the 230L is almost as smooth as the inline 4 in my 900.

It really sucks that big red doesn't make any good super moto bikes. They had the 230M a while back, but it only has around 13-15HP like my 230L. I'll be damned if they don't take their new CBR300R engine and make an ass kicking 300cc super moto bike with it. I'd be all over it! Or better yet, just take their old CB450 inline twin and turn it into a super moto. Damn thing would go 200k miles! If only I had the mechanical know-how to fabricate my own custom SM.....
 

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I think the DR4 is pretty bulletproof from what I know about them but IMHO it would get old after the initial excitement wore off. I would love a SM but I know I would regret getting rid of my 919 in the long run.
 

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I think the DR4 is pretty bulletproof from what I know about them but IMHO it would get old after the initial excitement wore off. I would love a SM but I know I would regret getting rid of my 919 in the long run.
I definitely hear you. The good news though is that you can get a 919 with under 10k miles for around 3-4k, even the older 03-08 CBR's and DRZ's will fetch at least that much if I decide I want my good 'ol CB back. If I had some cash to my name I'd never even consider parting with the 900. heck, just give me all four. CB, CRF, DRZ, and CBR!


Good thinking. And that is why I no longer have my Valkyrie.
So even the cruisers tempt you to be wreckless huh? Too bad you had to get rid of such an awesome bike. Them damn HD V-twins got nothin' on a Valk. The V-twin will rattle apart in less than 50,000 miles; while the perfectly balanced inline 6 will go on for a million miles. (At least!)
 

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well if you really want my opinion, you should get another TW200 and have another 15k of fun. I'm simply pointing out the obvious.
 

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Since you love big red, I'm curious as to your thoughts on the new 500 series? A 471cc parallel twin, 47hp, would shave weight from your 919 and give you about about 22mpg more (using fuelly #s). That at a cost new, that would rival what you'd pay used for other bikes. 3 versions to choose from, sport styled R, naked-ish F, and the adventure styled X.



I mention it of course because I chose the F. We may have similar tastes. I love my TW for off-road riding, trails, fire road exploring, some commuting, and as a great camp and hunt bike, but I really needed something for on road/higher speed riding. I'd been spoiled with the mpg of the TW, so I got a road bike that gets about the same. I am a big boy, and I avg. 65 mpg with the TW and 62 mpg on the Honda. My riding buddy has a 919, so we obviously like the more naked style. Obviously, with over twice the hp he can loose me easily in the straights, but the 500 is so nimble.

I think these might be worth looking at. I'm feeling the adventure styled X might be for you. Great on the street, it has a little more suspension travel, a little more upright riding position, better tires for doing some dirt road exploring. Dude!

Here is a pic of my buddy with our bikes on a recent ride:

 

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Get a DR650 and be done with it.
 

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well if you really want my opinion, you should get another TW200 and have another 15k of fun. I'm simply pointing out the obvious.
Lemme tell ya.. if the TW had the 230L engine I'd of never sold the thing. I loved the big tires. I loved the traction. I just couldn't stand the sound of the TW engine on the highway at 55-60. It's scary riding something that sounds like it's going to blow up. Even 14/44 and 14/47 gearing wasn't relaxed enough for my tastes. This is where the 230L shines with its gearing. 5th gear is equivalent to a TW's 5th gear with 14/45 gearing. From there, you have 6th gear that further drops the engine speed by about 1,200 @ 60 mph. This puts me at around 5k on the highway compared to 7-8k on the TW. It's incredible how much of a difference there is with just a 27cc difference in engine size. You'd think the 230L wouldn't even have the power to pull such a tall gearing, but it does. I guess that's because it has a much longer stroke than the TW.

If they make a 20-40 HP TW250, 300, 350, 400, or 450 I'll definitely say screw the CBR, and screw the damn drz. Gimme a TW!
 

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Since you love big red, I'm curious as to your thoughts on the new 500 series? A 471cc parallel twin, 47hp, would shave weight from your 919 and give you about about 22mpg more (using fuelly #s). That at a cost new, that would rival what you'd pay used for other bikes. 3 versions to choose from, sport styled R, naked-ish F, and the adventure styled X.



I mention it of course because I chose the F. We may have similar tastes. I love my TW for off-road riding, trails, fire road exploring, some commuting, and as a great camp and hunt bike, but I really needed something for on road/higher speed riding. I'd been spoiled with the mpg of the TW, so I got a road bike that gets about the same. I am a big boy, and I avg. 65 mpg with the TW and 62 mpg on the Honda. My riding buddy has a 919, so we obviously like the more naked style. Obviously, with over twice the hp he can loose me easily in the straights, but the 500 is so nimble.

I think these might be worth looking at. I'm feeling the adventure styled X might be for you. Great on the street, it has a little more suspension travel, a little more upright riding position, better tires for doing some dirt road exploring. Dude!

Here is a pic of my buddy with our bikes on a recent ride:


I forgot all about the CB500F/X. It's definitely something to consider. A little heavier than I'd like, but much lighter than the 900. I like the CBR500R too, but it's kind of pointless when the CBR600RR is lighter with better suspension and other components all-around.

I can only wonder if the new parallel twin is as solidly build and balanced as well as the old CB twins. They sound good on paper: A long stroke, slow running engine with low-ish HP output which is great for engine longevity. (Typical from big red)

Have you ever ridden his 919?
 

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Have you ever ridden his 919?
Unfortunately, I have not. Sadly, we have only been on a couple of rides together since I got mine this year. I probably could soon though if you want me to compare something specific for you.

I just know that I love my bike. It's kinda like the TW of street bikes. Fun, economical, good looking, and others are always impressed with what you can do on it because it's not expected. There are those that will call it underpowered, but it's always done what I've asked it to. I'm not as young, dumb and full of ___ as I used to be, so my riding style may be a little slower, and I want to be more comfortable and upright these days. I still want to have some fun when I crank the throttle or go through the twisties, that's what riding is all about, but most of the time I am just enjoying the ride/journey.

Needless to say, a 600rr or other super sport is not for me. I don't like being cramped or leaning over so far when I ride. I have no interest in track days. Those bikes are twice the cost upfront, and get like half of the mpgs. You have to run premium fuel in them. Another similarity to the TW, the 500 is a low-ish compression engine designed to run 87 octane. Plus, I just don't know when I would use all of that power. I'm friggin' stuck in traffic half of the time anyway. When I would get the chance to unleash her, I would be breaking the speed limits all of the time. Not a knock on other riders or their choices, I'm just saying it's not for me.

I have a lot of fun participating on this and that forum. They are both great and similar in their own respects. Both bikes have a different, yet broad following...some n00bs for sure, some silver grays, commuters, economically minded folks, and worldwide representation. Fyi, there are a couple of people over there that have 15,000 miles + on their 500s without issue. So, I have high hopes that this new little parallel twin will go for a long time hassle free.

Anyway, sorry for the novel. I just love my bikes and how they have been working out so well for me. Like they say, this is not a hobby...it's an obsession. I feel the same with my 500 as I do with my TW, where I feel like shouting, "Hey world, this is such a freakin' awesome bike! Why don't you have one? Why haven't you caught on? Get one now, you won't regret it!"

So, I recommend at least a test ride. Good luck with your journey.
 

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Also, the only thing that concerns me with the DRZ is that suzi engines got nothin' on big red when it comes to overall smoothness, balance and longevity. If I can't get at least 50k miles out of the engine I can't really afford to buy one. I test rode a DR650 that I was thinking about buying a while back and the damn thing ran like crap compared to the 230L. Ran rough, sounded like crap and vibrated like crazy compared to the silky smooth 230L. Hell, the 230L is almost as smooth as the inline 4 in my 900.

It really sucks that big red doesn't make any good super moto bikes. They had the 230M a while back, but it only has around 13-15HP like my 230L. I'll be damned if they don't take their new CBR300R engine and make an ass kicking 300cc super moto bike with it. I'd be all over it! Or better yet, just take their old CB450 inline twin and turn it into a super moto. Damn thing would go 200k miles! If only I had the mechanical know-how to fabricate my own custom SM.....

And......... They do! Enter the Honda cb300f new for 2015. Same new 300 engine in an naked styling package.


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If I wanted to do some serious highway stuff and outback dirt road exploring on the same bike I think I'd get a V-Strom. Maybe a little on the heavy side but I have a friend that has one and goes some pretty amazing places in the dirt with it. And then turned around and took it to Sturgis two years.

I had an '82 R80GS that was ever better I think. That was one nice bike. On pavement or dirt roads. And about 100 pounds lighter than the V-Strom.
 

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Good read. I understand how you feel about the 500; that's how I feel about the 900. If only I could have that power in a 350 pound package! Even half that power in a 350 pound package would be more than enough. As for the CBR600RR, I think it would fit me quite well. I have somewhat of a spine curvature thanks to being dumb when I was a young kid - the leaned over position would be quite natural and comfortable for me. If you don't wind a 600 too hard you should be able to get 50 miles a gallon, which is what I get on the 900; so I won't take a loss there. Maintenance costs should be the same. But damn..can I really get rid of the badassed 900?? A CBR would probably be more fun though with it's lightweight agility...but maybe a 300-450cc supermoto/adventure bike would be even more so. Bleh. I don't know! I wish I could just have 'em all. Oh well. I'll figure it out eventually.

Dryden: I had no idea this bike existed. It must be pretty new, or I'm just blind considering I check the lineup at least a few times a month for new additions. Definitely a considerable choice. I'm not super fond of the styling, but it's not as bad as some of those ducati or trimuph standards (Yuck! Not all of 'em, but some of them look ridiculous) I think I could grow to love it. About 30HP, 346 pounds....not bad. Not as light as most supermotos but close. Pretty dang cheap for being a new bike. I don't understand why they didn't go with their flagship inline twin engine, but singles are alright too. 70+ miles a gallon can't be beat. I wonder what the maintenance intervals are for the valves. I'd imagine 16k if that's what they were on the 250. If only I knew how this bike would handle compared to a CBR or SM with inverted forks - if it handles just as well I'd highly consider going with this one.
 

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Irppcer:

Good read. I understand how you feel about the 500; that's how I feel about the 900. If only I could have that power in a 350 pound package! Even half that power in a 350 pound package would be more than enough. As for the CBR600RR, I think it would fit me quite well. I have somewhat of a spine curvature thanks to being dumb when I was a young kid - the leaned over position would be quite natural and comfortable for me. If you don't wind a 600 too hard you should be able to get 50 miles a gallon, which is what I get on the 900; so I won't take a loss there. Maintenance costs should be the same. But damn..can I really get rid of the badassed 900?? A CBR would probably be more fun though with it's lightweight agility...but maybe a 300-450cc supermoto/adventure bike would be even more so. Bleh. I don't know! I wish I could just have 'em all. Oh well. I'll figure it out eventually.

Dryden: I had no idea this bike existed. It must be pretty new, or I'm just blind considering I check the lineup at least a few times a month for new additions. Definitely a considerable choice. I'm not super fond of the styling, but it's not as bad as some of those ducati or trimuph standards (Yuck! Not all of 'em, but some of them look ridiculous) I think I could grow to love it. About 30HP, 346 pounds....not bad. Not as light as most supermotos but close. Pretty dang cheap for being a new bike. I don't understand why they didn't go with their flagship inline twin engine, but singles are alright too. 70+ miles a gallon can't be beat. I wonder what the maintenance intervals are for the valves. I'd imagine 16k if that's what they were on the 250. If only I knew how this bike would handle compared to a CBR or SM with inverted forks - if it handles just as well I'd highly consider going with this one.
I have had my heart set on the CB500x since I sat on one. Not a single bad review to be found "try to find a single negative comment on this bike!". Having said all of that I will test ride the new 300! Under $4,000 msrp deserves a test ride.
 
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