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This is a 1989 TW200 frame with a clear, street legal California title in my name.



I picked this frame up as a favor for a member of this forum who was looking for a titled frame. After some initial appreciation and correspondence regarding shipping details, he has unfortunately gone silent despite repeated attempts to see if he is still interested. Therefore, I am offering this frame to other forum members.



This frame came from a running bike that the guy tore down to make into a flat-tracker. He got as far as putting new bearing races into the steering head, then lost interest in the project and parted the bike out. I picked up the frame and title, but no plate. Frame appears to be complete and unmolested, with no apparent problems that a can of spray paint won't fix.



Registration is currently non-op'd and I have the title in hand. I have the frame crated for shipment and I am willing to drop off at a local shipper of your choice if you coordinate and pay for shipping. Total crated weight is 100 lbs. Crate dimensions are approximately 14.5" x 36" x 44.5". Local pickup would be best, as shipping may be expensive, depending on where you live.



Let me know if you have any questions or need additional information.



I would also be interested in trading for a 2001+ front wheel, disc brake assembly and forks.





Brian





















 

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My name is Joshua Greer I live in Las Vegas Nevada and will be driving to Valencia in a week and a half. Do you live in near there? So you want a 100 dollars for the frame with clean title? please contact me at 702 279 5348. thanks. I would like to arrange purchasing your frame. whether I pick it up or it is shipped.
 

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Hi Joshua,



I am in Pleasanton, which is in the San Fransisco Bay area in northern California. Valencia is in the LA area in southern California. Unfortunately about 300 miles apart. I will give you a call to see if we can work something out.



Brian
 

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That was a good deal... and having it on non-op was key!

I'm helping a friend build up a California titled frame. The price was right, but DMV back fees ended up costing more than $700.00!

He needed it though, and now he's got that hurdle out of the way.
 

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DMV back fees? Sooooo you have to pay for a vehicle registration back to the last time it was on the road? Is that eveywhere in the states or just in California? Seems ridiculous.
 

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DMV back fees? Sooooo you have to pay for a vehicle registration back to the last time it was on the road? Is that eveywhere in the states or just in California? Seems ridiculous.
Yep, back registrations and fines, unless it was placed on non-operational status when the last registration was due.

It's quite a racket in California, and just one of many "incentives" this state offers to keep older vehicles off the road....
 

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California - Every year, the vehicle registration fees must be paid. The most recent fees for my 2005 TW200 were $133 if paid by the due date. If paid late, the penalties and fees would climb up to $194. Each additional year that the vehicle is not registered will increase the total due by a similar amount, so these back fees can be substantial. The alternative to paying the registration fees would be to file for Planned Nonoperation (Non-op) which costs $21 and is good until you decide to register the vehicle or sell it.

I believe that the California DMV keeps non-registered vehicles on their books for about 7 years, then they drop out of their system and you may be able to avoid paying any late fees and penalties when the vehicle is re-registered.
 

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CA titled frames with back fees can be washed by titling in AZ and then re-titled in CA this eliminated the back fees

you do have to go to the AZ DMV in person for the title work is the only catch so if it costs you $400 or $500 in fuel it's probably not worth the time and effort

when the Cali law allowing back reg fees was written a Cali car club helped draft a loophole for
"collector" vehicles you just have to find a DMV person willing to read the page in the rule book and for them to understand and comply with the law
 

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This is a 1989 TW200 frame with a clear, street legal California title in my name.



I picked this frame up as a favor for a member of this forum who was looking for a titled frame. After some initial appreciation and correspondence regarding shipping details, he has unfortunately gone silent despite repeated attempts to see if he is still interested. Therefore, I am offering this frame to other forum members.



This frame came from a running bike that the guy tore down to make into a flat-tracker. He got as far as putting new bearing races into the steering head, then lost interest in the project and parted the bike out. I picked up the frame and title, but no plate. Frame appears to be complete and unmolested, with no apparent problems that a can of spray paint won't fix.



Registration is currently non-op'd and I have the title in hand. I have the frame crated for shipment and I am willing to drop off at a local shipper of your choice if you coordinate and pay for shipping. Total crated weight is 100 lbs. Crate dimensions are approximately 14.5" x 36" x 44.5". Local pickup would be best, as shipping may be expensive, depending on where you live.



Let me know if you have any questions or need additional information.



I would also be interested in trading for a 2001+ front wheel, disc brake assembly and forks.





Brian





















I'm interested in this frame
 

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I know someone with a Factory Five Cobra kit car questionably titled as an original '64 AC. California DMV got very critical of these kit cars some years ago and refused both re-registration nor release of title for any subsequent sale in California or other states ( or so I was told). Fines & fees have accumulated since.
Any advice? I'ld like see this person behind the wheel again. Shucks, I sure would like to get another test ride in the monster motor surrounded by 4 gummy wide tires.
 

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I know someone with a Factory Five Cobra kit car questionably titled as an original '64 AC. California DMV got very critical of these kit cars some years ago and refused both re-registration nor release of title for any subsequent sale in California or other states ( or so I was told). Fines & fees have accumulated since.
Any advice? I'ld like see this person behind the wheel again. Shucks, I sure would like to get another test ride in the monster motor surrounded by 4 gummy wide tires.
Those Factory Five kit cars are amazing. About 15 years ago I knew a guy that built and worked on them for clients. He gave me a ride in one with a built up modern 427 engine. We were at the front spot at a stop light and he says, "just watch the speedometer". On the green light he really opened it up and I've never seen a speedo climb so fast in real life.
Unfortunately, I am not much help in offering advice for your friend. Odd that he was able to register it as an original '64 at any point. Has he tried going through Vermont, or contacting Factory Five for advice? Maybe they can send him another Certificate of Origin that he can take to another state? I am guessing that Factory Five has their own legal team that are experts at titling issues.

Or ask if he wants to sell it to me cheap and I will work out the title problems on my end.
 

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Cobra was an impressive toy. A little boring and cramped on the freeway after sling-shoting up the on-ramp, but once on a narrow twisty back road and encouraged to open it up it seemed a real handful. No run-out on the corners made me very hesitant to approach anywhere near the undetermined edge of performance envelope. Big block, manual transmission, no ABS, moderate initial understeer but gobs of power on oversteer followed by trailing throttle oversteer...pure old fashioned thrills.
 
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Cobras are fun. I've driven two original big blocks and a couple of reproductions.
Fred, a bad title might be impossible to clean up. Very unfortunate. Calid dmv is difficult at best. I think factory five refuses to mess with their vehicle docs at any level.
Maybe be able to rework docs on an abandoned or salvaged vehicle?
 

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The Cobra is an old problem so owner likely has given up out of frustration...a tender object we don't talk about after I heard he ignored an amnesty opportunity some years ago that primarily entailed giving the state a lot of money. I should approach him in regards to Vermont registration. Possibly titled was originally laundered via a Vermont issue off a salvage VIN then submitted to CA, Ca title & plate issued then later renewal denied, I don't know whole story. Thing has been rotting in storage since and it would be good to see it run and owner happy.

Maybe he could declare it an electric that he drive around using the starter motor and only uses the 427 to recharge the battery every hundred feet or so.
 
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