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I've always been of the opinion that if you're buying a gasoline powered pickup, the you're wasting your money. So if you're in the market for a pickup, that narrows it down to three options. And while the Duramax and Ford diesels look good enough and technically have nothing wrong with them, once you take them out of the vacuum that is the on paper spec sheet, you realize that the Cummins engine is just better. Which leaves you with just one option remaining.

Now Toyota has been fiddling with the idea of a diesel truck for a few years, and with outsourcing the engine for that truck to an Indiana based engine manufacturer. After a few years of will they or won't they- turns out they won't. But it turns out someone will...

Long story short- Datsun picked up the ball where Toyota dropped it and ran with it. So now this question remains for the prospective pickup purchaser- a 385hp/865torques 6.7L I6 or a 310hp/555torques 5.0L V8?

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Whats wrong with gas trucks lol, Ive had gas Ford and they are great. Current truck F150 5.4 100.000 miles and runs great :) Yah diesels great but not everyone needs that torq. Ive had plenty of S10's and Rangers also and they are great for work trucks imo... Just depends on what you need the truck for and want to do with it. My F150 pulls my boat/trailers without a sweat. The F150 is 1 of the best selling trucks in the US also. I was a chevy truck guy when I was younger. But Ford makes a good truck imo.
 

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I need it to tote my truck camper, so I'd stick with the Dodge.

 

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Yah diesels great but not everyone needs that torque.
Not that there's anything wrong with them, or that I have a problem with them- but that is my point. Not everyone needs a truck, so why get one? It seems to me that if you buy a quarter ton truck you're really just buying a big car with a large trunk that gets terrible fuel mileage. The way I see it, if you're already determined to get low fuel mileage, but need something to occasionally tow things that has the same towing capacities and not-good-for-towing suspension as a quarter ton truck, why not get an Expedition or Tahoe or Grand Caravan or Range Rover or something? At east then you can put things in the trunk without worrying about someone taking it, or constantly using the bed as a trash can.

Now I realize there's no argument against preference, and if you want it, you'll get it; but the vast majority of the characters out there with trucks never actually use them as trucks. It seems to me to be the same argument as the type of people that insist that you need to get a 1000cc motorcycle. Maybe you should start out on a lowly 600cc if you think you can't handle it, but you'll soon tire of such a weak bike and then can graduate to a real man's bike. Seems silly to me, but it doesn't really matter one way or the other at the end of the day what other people have.
 

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All over the world people use diesel engines in cars and trucks. I do not understand why in north america we cannot get small vehicles especially trucks with diesel engines
I suspect it is a trade issue of some sort
 

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I suspect it is a price issue. gas is more expensive than diesel in alot of places. But diesels are becoming more prevalent in cars here too. It's only a matter of time, I suspect, before they start selling the diesel everything in America too. you can get an Italian made VM Motori v6 diesel in the 1500 Ram and Grand Cherokee now.
 

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All over the world people use diesel engines in cars and trucks. I do not understand why in north america we cannot get small vehicles especially trucks with diesel engines
I suspect it is a trade issue of some sort
Its the EPA, look what VW is going through.

IMO FEW people need a diesel truck. The VAST majority of the diesel trucks I see on the road are empty and/or not pulling anything. They cost more up front, cost more to maintain and the extra fuel price washes out any savings in mileage.

I dont see how a home owner gets away without having a truck. I do use mine to haul stuff, stuff that I wouldnt put n the back of an SUV. But dislike ALL modern trucks, Ill stick with my 1973 F100 :)
 

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I had a 76 F100 with a 390 was a great... truck. My wife has a Toyota Rav 4 , we've had 4 so far and they are great. Good mpg, can have 4 people comfortably and with the 4 cyl it will pull/haul small loads easy. I wouldn't haul my boat with it, but a small trailer with a small bike would be fine. Any vehicle will last along time if you take care of it. My dads friend has a chevy truck with a 454 and 300,000 miles on it. He changes his oil and normal maint.
 

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Still plenty of rangers/S10's out their and they are a small truck with 4cyl's. GMC makes the Colorado also think a 5cyl ? Those with a topper make a great small work truck.
 

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The F-150...Chev 1500..and GMC 1500, and Dodge 1500, and Toyota and Nissan are all HALF ton pickups.

The F-250...Chev and GMC 2500's, and Dodge 2500's are all 3/4 ton pickups.

The F-350, Chev and GMC 3500's, and Dodge 3500's are all ONE ton pickups.
very well. is that to mean that the 1500 suburbans or tahoes also have a half ton towing capacity?
 

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i know no such thing [that's my story and i'm sticking to it] what i meant was is it the same as the pickup? and as it turns out the answer is-almost. the google machine says the carrying capacity is the same but the suburban can tow 8400 pounds vs the silverado's 9400 pound limit.

also- my d350 weighs 7500 pounds and the gvwr is 10000 pounds... so is it really a one and a quarter ton pickup?
 

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i know no such thing [that's my story and i'm sticking to it] what i meant was is it the same as the pickup? and as it turns out the answer is-almost. the google machine says the carrying capacity is the same but the suburban can tow 8400 pounds vs the silverado's 9400 pound limit.

also- my d350 weighs 7500 pounds and the gvwr is 10000 pounds... so is it really a one and a quarter ton pickup?
The " half, 3/4 and one ton" things are misnomers at this point. My 2015 "1/2" ton Silverado has a payload of 1800lbs and an almost 12000# tow capacity. A buddy of mine has a 2015 3/4 ton Silverado and it has a payload of over 3000#.

I agree with TWROG. Let the work dictate the engine. Like him the vast majority of the HD diesels i see in my area are not used for intended purpose. The are all jacked up, big tires and 8" smoke stacks coming from the bed. They are all for show/redneck status.

For me i could not live without a truck, i use it way too much as a truck. Mine is my daily driver/ boat tower/ TW hauler/ Junk hauler etc. For my use i would never ever recoup the upfront cost of a diesel and i have zero need for a 3/4 ton or heavier truck.

When i bought my new one last year i looked into the ram 1500 diesel but after my last Dodge i cant bring myself to buy another( long story). Dont think i would even consider the Nissan either, i owned the prior version Titan( replaced the dodge) and despite all the claims of it being a real truck it could not withstand the towing i was doing at the time. I went thru rear differentials like pez in the few months i had it towing my 5000# bass boat. If it cant do that it questions its durability, same goes for the tundra. I know guys that tow with them like i do and they dont hold up like one from the big 3 would . The Chevy that replaced that Nissan has over 200k problem free towing the same boat and is being driven by my nephew now.

Im surprised that GM has not put a diesel in the 1500 Silverado. They have a 4.5l v8 Duramax all developed that was originally slated to be released in 2010 but never did. I think it would have been on my radar screen for my 2014 Silverado if it has been available and not priced out of reach. They also have a small 1.8l diesel thats going to go into the new Colorado/Canyon for the 2016 model year.
 

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I wouldn't put a S10/ranger in the same category 1/2ton as a F150 tho. My point was the S10/ranger have their purpose and ALOT were made and still in service, theirs a reason for that. ranger do the same work a f150 do no way. But the small s10/ranger are great small work trucks. Ive pulled some big... boats with my f150 with no problems.Remember the VW rabbit truck thingys they made, weren't those 1/4ton? Also the chevy luv lol some old small trucks for sure.
 

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I have owned two diesels in the past (an 01 and 08 Dodge. ) I now own a Chevy gasser. When I owned the diesel, I did a lot of trailer towing, now not so much. My pickup might sit for a couple weeks between being used, so the extra cost of maintenance and what not no longer makes sense.


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Remember the VW rabbit truck thingys they made, weren't those 1/4ton?
Apparently those things weigh 810kg and have a 986 kg gvwr which comes out to 176 kg [388lbs] payload. So it's closer to an 1/8 ton really. And 52hp? Wowwee, that thing was killing it.
 

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Lot of rednecks down here have 3/4 ton diesels 4wd jacked up, never see them towing/hauling or a bit of dirt on them. All show and no go lol. Diesels do have their place tho but imo gas trucks are more common, useful in most.... situations. Not as noisy either ;)
 

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Lot of rednecks down here have 3/4 ton diesels 4wd jacked up, never see them towing/hauling or a bit of dirt on them. All show and no go lol. Diesels do have their place tho but imo gas trucks are more common, useful in most.... situations. Not as noisy either ;)
gotta get that smoke tune. and bigger tires with 22 inch wheels because that makes sense. and the rear about three inches lower than the front... for reasons.
 

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Once you live with a truck you always miss it.
Diesel vs gas, don't care, but when people start moding the diesel to "stack coal" that gets my goat. Quite a few of those around here lately.
Now normally I am a pretty laid back, no road rage kind of guy. I'm the guy who stops to let you merge in. But lately when I hear a diesel wind up to pass me... it ain't happening. I will cut you off, I will block your lane, Don't much care what you think. There is no way I will ever let one of those black cloud belchers in front of me again.
 

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2015 GMC Sierra Denali 1500
6.2L gas motor
8 speed tranny

I need a truck to work out of every day.
I need to tow my 7X 16 trailer to bike swap meets and shows a few times a year.
I want to have a nice truck with all the bells and whistles and comfort features, because I live in the damn thing for 12 to 18 hrs a day.

Could I have gotten a Tahoe instead of a pickup..... Yes. I actually should have. But after adding it all up it would have been almost another 20 grand. Yeah, much cheaper ways to keep my tools dry.

As stated earlier, diesels are not ever cheaper to run. The fuel mileage never makes up for the added maintenance and fuel cost.
 
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