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Folks I have noticed several of you also ride a Ural I have an opportunity to get a used gear up I believe. Know for sure it is 2 wheel drive. Question is are they as terrible as some of the hype suggests I’ve heard it said the motor will not live to 10 k miles That you cannot keep u joints in them eat ect. If you have knowledge of these bikes I sure would like to hear. Bike has some rust but I bet it would be a lot of fun in the winter I can’t believe they can be all that bad and still continue to sell also seems they hold their value pretty well
 

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Might want to check the Ural forum:

https://www.sovietsteeds.com/forums/

I was at a Ural rally in Virginia years ago, where most of the riders spent the weekend doing repairs.

The newer Urals (fuel injected) are supposed to have greater reliability.

You might want to try riding (driving) a sidecar rig before you purchase. It's nothing like steering a motorcycle.

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I had one.....really wanted to like it. POOR WORKMANSHIP throughout. Bolts cross threaded, rust breaking out all over, the list goes on.:violent1: 20170202_195731.jpg 20170203_154115.jpg
 

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Motorcycle Consumer News (bike magazine) has done a couple of tests on the Urals... They basically said that they are the worst bike that they ever tested... WW2 technology...
 

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Hey DW

We have a 03 Gear Up
Got it in 13 with 4,500km & a fried top end :(
daily rider and our adventure touring bike
Now has 80,000km
and replaced the hack wheel u-joint twice
We've rode in 3 ADV Rally's, done 3 states on the TAT
and ride the 2 K9's on daily evening potty rides :) every evening
just got home, mid 80's, wonderful pink sky, 1/2 moon & 2 HAPPY pups
and the grandkids love it!
It ant no TW ��
come on in the water fine LOL

Charlie
 

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For some time I've had a Ural itch.
Had not even seen one in our area in a while,
Until this past summer - have seen three.
Came up along side of one st a stop sign,
It was an older model - on a trailer.
I said "nice ride" to pick up driver pulling the trailer.
Quite a stream of foul words about the Ural from driver,
Summary - no Ural praise.
A few Sunday's ago, cycling home from a family visit, noticed a Ural pulled over on
The shoulder at an odd angle. With a guy standing over it and a scowl on his face.
Pulled over to see if I could help. Some kind of problem with the rear end of his
Ural, he was trying to call a buddy to pick him up- but we were in one of out many
Cell dead spots. I rode back up the road a mile or so until I hit a cell spot and
Texted his buddy- who said he would be by to pick up Ural and friend.
Ural driver was an older guy, in his 80s- who said he had his eye on a Ural for
50 years and this summer finally bought a new one - in the sort of rust red color I covet.
He said Lots of mystique about riding one and it is fun - when it works.
Given all of the reported issues with one - not sure I understand the attraction to one,
Including my own?
 

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Thanks Charlie I have always been drawn to the unusual Ride the T W all winter as snow permits Problem is I cant take my dog I waited until I retired to get an Irish Wolfhound and I don't like leaving her home I ask this question here as I knew I would get the straight up truth but I may just decide to jump in with ya . If I drown here rember you pushed me in LOL Thanks Guys
 

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I would think a TW with a side car would be a better choice.
 

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I think we have enough welders and fabricators on this site, over $4000.00 is crazy for just a side car.
 

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Here is a sidecar and a Ural for less than one of those enduro sidecars. . . . .

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/mcy/d/san-francisco-ural-tourist-sidecar/6973780896.html

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URAL Tourist Sidecar outfit - $4800 (sunset / parkside)














2006 Ural Tourist

condition: excellent
engine displacement (CC): 750
fuel: gas
odometer: 10500
paint color: black
transmission: manual

2006 Ural Tourist Sidecar outfit. Works great! 17K KM (about 10K miles). Always well maintained and garaged. Kids got too big to fit 2 in the chair. Garage got too small for all my projects. I also have the spare tire, rack and extra gas can that attach to the chair.
 

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You really should take the advice given about 20 posts ago. Go over to the Ural website Soviet Steeds and hangout for awhile. While this is a fantastic forum based around a bargain-basement classic design Yamaha this is not where to get advice on a Ural. Would be like asking the Ural guys which they like, the VanVan or a TW200.

Bought new in 2007 and it's ended up being one of the best investments I've ever made in over 55 years of motorcycles. Many bikes have come and many gone. My Ural Patrol remains in the stable. My Softail was doomed after I brought the Ural home.
There are years and models to avoid and frankly I'm not convinced the EFI bikes are actually better than the carbies. They just abandoned the 2014 thru 2018 efi systems so I would avoid those as parts may start to become harder to find in a few years. The 2019's use a keihin system but have not seen one in the flesh yet. Awaiting to see how they do in the mud and the muck which is what I use my Patrol (it a 2-wheel drive model) for.

Sweet spots '06 thru '13 even if ya are a shade-tree mechanic like me. Like maintaining a car from the '50's or '60's in your driveway. Owner care and upgrades gotta count too like with any motorcycle as long as you know it's not a Honda.
My opinion of course.

Bikes in 2012. Each has/had their own purpose. Only the Ural remains along with a bunch of other bikes that replaced these.

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I became interested in sidecars shortly after becoming interested in riding and bikes again a bit over a year ago. I sold my last bike in the late 80s. I was told many times to get a Ural, but because of my personal interests, decided to forgo the Ural, though their sidecars are used quite a lot on other bikes. I was repeatedly told to go to the advrider forum and look at their sidecar sub-forum (Hacks), they have unbelievable amounts of information and builders, both commercial and home builders.


Theres quite a few Ural riders there, the sentiment is mixed, but the general feeling seems to be if an individual bike survived some time on the road, they probably got the bugs worked out of them, and the newer ones are generally much better than older ones. theres a certain date/period that seems better than others, it may be when they improved the brakes to disc, or other reasons, I just havent paid the same level of attention to is, its not in my primary area of interest. Anyway, theres a lot of good info there, and perhaps may be less biased than the Ural specific sites. I say that meaning bias isnt necessarily bad, but the opinions may be more open minded overall on the adv site.

Basically, any bike can be adapted to sidecar use. My own interest is older H-D big twins. My former bike I rode the most was a 1947 I built from parts. That vintage is way out of my budget, so i settled on a 1984 Low Rider. It already had electric start, which would have been a fairly hefty additional cost on a 1940s period H-D. My plan is to be able to take the dog joyriding around town, and dirt roading and short trips in the west and southwest (Az and Utah). I road hundreds of miles on dirt roads in the distant past on my 47 knuckle, the 84 should be fine.

My sidecar is a used DMC M72. I think I have about half what they cost new in it. I dont have all the mounting hardware yet, but should soon. I found it on the adv forum, they have a section with used sidecars and bike/sidecar rigs from all over the country that gets added to multiple times daily. Mine was in texas. somebody else bought it on the forum, then changed his mind, saving me a lot of driving to go get it. They also have a 110 page thread on pups-n-hacks with discussion and pictures. I had no idea sidecars for dogs were so popular. Its what motivated a large number of people to get sidecars.

If you want to add a sidecar to a particular bike, ask about it there, you will get good advice on how to go about it or keep watching the for sales thread. If they know what youre looking for may mention it to you if something appropriate shows up. Very helpful people, though a few may be cranky now and then. Most suggest buying a rig already set up to save money and time, but some of us want something very specific and arent willing to accept anything less, so in my case, Im willing to build what I want.


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Heres a motivational video, Ara and his dog Spirit, he rode around much of the west on his BMW with Ural sidecar. Its actually for sale I believe, one of the guys on the adv forum bought it but decided he may sell it. Ara retired from riding due to health reasons. I love the country in this vid, its similar to some of the country I rode, camped, and adventured around in in Az. Id love to ride Valley of the Gods though.

 
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Why a Ural

I've owned four URAL sidecar rigs, and one Suzuki V-Strom/Dauntless Sidecar rig. My thoughts and statements are based on my experiences, and are solely my opinion.

Well, it's a love/hate thing with URAL sidecars....when it's working it's always the ride I take out, and I have another motorcycle, a '87 BMW R80 Beemer which is sweet and reliable. I have to actually force myself to take out the R80 once in a while to exercise her, riding the URAL is that much more fun you see. I will amend with this, my 2006 TW200 is a lot of fun and can go places a Ural cannot go, so long as you're prepared to dump it Kind of hard to fall when on three wheels, still possible mind you, but much harder.

They really have come a long way in terms of quality but if you're looking for a gas and go, look elsewhere. If you don't mind turning a wrench (and all of the tasks required are doable by most anyone), then sure, go for it!

It's got a decent service interval now, every 5000 km or 3000 miles. Short by the standards of other brands, but it used to be 2500km! I can do a 10K Km interval service in two days, taking it slow, in between other chores around the house.

If buying new, dealer setup is KEY. A badly aligned rig will disappoint and can be dangerous to the driver. Do your research, the known good dealers are out there. I am fortunate to be within two hours of mine.

Know that anything made by Man, breaks, but URAL stands by their warranty like no other brand I've known! GET the extended warranty, trust me! Speaking of Russian quality, the new models are leaps and bounds ahead of the stuff from the 90s and early 2000s. I know, my first Ural was a '96 and it truly was a RPOC and yet I loved it, never should have sold it. Urals are now made with many components from other countries, and of higher quality than when every part was made at the factory in Irbitz. Having said that, they still have assembly QA issues I think, but I've not bought one since my 2014.

The stuff that's broken on my 2014 so far, and all replaced under warranty, have been parts that URAL doesn't make but outsources! Well, not sure on the clutch plates, but then again, it's a wear item. Oh, and as damaged as the clutch plates were, it got me home; now if only they wouldn’t sometimes damage the gearbox input shaft ..... but I was able to repair all involved components myself (which is saying something, since some days I shouldn't be allowed near tools)

EFI is great but I wonder what will be my opinion when it fails? Then again, how often do you hear of car's EFI modules failing? It's proven technology, and URAL started with EFI using a US company to make the system. Theoretically, you can limp home on one ECU, but I don't want to be the guy who does it first. 2019 brings Keihin EFI vs Electrojet and initial reports show promise.

If you don't like talking to complete strangers at gas stops, spending time talking about your rig, then this ain't the rig for you. It's called UDF or Ural Delay Factor.

If you want to ride, no matter what the weather or temperature or traction conditions, year-round, then look at a URAL sidecar rig. Snow, up to about 8-12 inches depending on consistency, won't stop me anymore but life does get a bit too interesting at times!

If you want to be able to carry much more than the average motorcyclist, AND a passenger in comfort, look at a Ural. In fact, you can carry so much, you risk breaking things but she'll sure try.

Sure, you can make a lot of other motorcycles into sidecar rigs but URAL is the only one that comes out of the factory designed to be with a sidecar. 2WD is really nice in the RARE occasions you need it. The joke here is that 2WD will get you 100 meters further into trouble, before you get stuck, I've found it wonderful in the slick stuff. And yet, I carry recovery gear, just in case.

Reverse? Lovely. No worries about parking angles or finding yourself at the end of a narrow trail with no place to turn. Finally, it's not a simple matter of bolting a sidecar to a motorcycle, you have to also account for steering changes, subframes to hold everything together, what kind of stresses are you about to subject a motorcycle to that wasn't designed to be mated to a sidecer; and after all that, still no reverse or 2WD unless you spend really big bucks.

Battery problems? It has a kickstart lever and you can actually start the engine with it (most of the time). Want to make a bunch of Harley riders twitchy? Kick start your rig to life in front of them. ?

In a hurry, want to rack up miles fast? This ain't the motorcycle for you. 55mph on the highways is about all I'll ride it at, with very rare bursts to 70 mph, it's max speed. The URAL sidecar wasn't designed for US super highways, accept the fact you'll be the slowest guy on the road, embrace it. Wave hello at the peering faces in the monster RV that is passing you on a hill, so what if its also towing a car on a trailer while passing you. You'll see more of life at the slower pace, trust me. The Ural does better on the highways than the TW200, not by much, but yeah, a bit faster.

Want to be part of a community of like-minded sidecarists who usually go out of their way to help out and enjoy these rigs? A URAL might be for you.

Driving a sidecar rig is NOTHING like a two-wheeled motorcycle. Get some formal training if at all possible, read and follow the exercises in the available manuals if not. Practice and learn what happens when the sidecar lifts on you while turning right, then train to deal with it. It's not rocket science.

Finally, why be just one more motorcycle rider? Folks smile and wave at sidecar riders, we're not trying to be tough-looking and scary. Be uncommon. It is about the ride. Be the hero who shows up at a campsite with the case or two of beer in the sidecar, with ice. Ride down that sketchy looking trail, see where it leads and what you discover. Yep, you can do the same with the TW200, but sometimes, you get in over your head....at those times I reflect the Ural and its known to me capabilities would have had me turning around before that particular rocky hill. ;)
 

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Some good comments above by redlegsrides, though Id remind anyone reading this that the general positive aspects of sidecars are present with other makes of bikes with a sidecar, and the Ural specific issues some have arent present with other makes, like being hours or more away from a dealer or someone that can work on it, and parts not being easily available. Just saying, urals arent the only way to get a bike with a sidecar, and may not be the best way for many. Urals just happen to be the only factory available ones at the moment besides perhaps H-Ds, which would be expensive in comparison. Sidecars have been common on many makes of bikes over history.


Part of my comment previously, seeking info on a ural specific site tends to lean to the idea that urals are the only way to get a sidecar, when theres large numbers of other makes that have them added aftermarket, many being sold used for reasonable prices, and on bikes that may be more useful or practical overall in many ways.

Id also remind people that all ural dealers arent equally capable of setting up rigs correctly and may not be able to get them correct with repeat visits. Theres that exact situation that happened recently to a lady in the Chicago area. She ended up having to get someone else to get it adjusted right to be safe to ride. Moral of the story, theres more than one way to get a good sidecar rig, and not all dealers are created equal.
 
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