Reddave, during your exploratory riding in days of yore, per chance, have you ridden Phantom Canyon Road?I decided I had knocked my knee on the Tusk Utility Top Rack bars one too many times. I had some pipe insulation laying around that just happened to be a perfect size! Hopefully, it will help offset my incredibly short inseam. I then loaded up the van and the bike - as I'm heading out for some exploratory riding tomorrow morning. All the National Forest campgrounds are apparently closed (when did camping become ANTI-social distancing by the way?) so I'll be "stealth camping" in the Econoline.