Hi all, I am looking at buying a used TW, a 2000. It has 6000 miles on the clock. I haven't seen it yet but have talked with the owner. He says it runs well but is cold blooded. He has a new rear tire and new front and rear sprocket and chain that will need to be installed in the next 500 miles. Bodywise it has a few scratches but no dents and is missing the rear turn signals. He is asking $1500.00 My questions for you here is this, does the price sound fair? Should the chain and sprockets need replacing at 6000 miles? are the TWs cold blooded? These bikes sound great for where I live at the beach. I am going to see it this Saturday. any input is appreciated Thanks, Ric
$1510 is the dealer asking average of a 2000 in good condition. $975 is the dealer trade-in average of a 2000 in good condition.
The bike you are looking at is in fair, amybe poor, but definately not good, condition.
TWs are not cold blooded. Their idle mixture screws are set too lean to please the EPA. Free fix.
1) Rear tire should still have at least half its tread life. If a new, not used, replacement is offered, add $85-100 to value. 2) If rear tire is shot, suspect mileage shown by odometer is not accurate. If rear tire is shot, you'll need to add $20 for a tube and $30 for mounting, plus the hassle of getting it done, so including the new tire in the deal is a no-deduction/no-premium deal. 3) if rear tire is shot, and replacement is used, deduct $150 from the asking price.
Front tire is probably worn out at 6000 miles. Several options in the $50-75 range, depending on where you ride and the look you want. Deduct $100, the price of a new tire, tube, and mounting, unless a new tire is on the bike.
Fact is, a 2000 with the original tires is riding on 11 year old tires. They need to be replaced, anyway, just because of age. Mail-order tires and tubes will set you back at least $180, plus labor if you don't mount them yourself, expect to pay $250/set or more from a shop with mounting included.
Turn signals and hardware are $60+ each. Deduct $120 from price IF wiring harness is still present and in good shape. Deduct another $50 if wiring is cut up. Deduct $20 for installing.
Stock chain is junk. Very easily the chain and sprockets are worn out. To replace the set properly, you'll still need a quart of oil, lock tabs for the wheel sprocket, a gasket for the case cover, and labor. Figure $75 deduction IF the replacement sprockets are good quality AND the chain is good quality. If the stock chain is offered as a replacement, it has no value because it is junk. If an o-ring chain is offered as a replacement add $75 to the price because o-ring chains are worth that. The value of a quality o-ring chain will counteract the deduction for the labor and small bits to install the new sprocket set.
- 250 for tires
- 150 for turn signals
- 150 for chain and sprockets
? for scratches
+ 100 for new tire, if it is the tread pattern you want
for new sprockets, if they are the ratio you want
Add in the value of a good chain, a stock replacement chain is worth nothing.
All of a sudden, that $1500 asking price isn't looking so good, is it? Looks like the asking price is about $500 high.
I paid $1800 for a 2003 with 712 miles in 2007, with a new battery, no damage, missing one mirror. I'd pass.