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Can't make this stuff up... I was having a look at CL ads this morning and came across this 2017 "Yamaha" Tricker/Magician 250 for sale in Atlanta: https://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/mcy/d/centerville-2017-yamaha-tricker/6966824710.html

Slap a tuning fork sticker on it and you have a Yamaha. Better yet, that tuning fork sticker adds significantly to the price seeing how you can order a new Magician shipped to your door for around $1200. Expensive sticker (and ProTaper pad).
 

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I've seen stuff like that before- clearly a clone bike being advertised as a Japanese one. Sometimes you can tell the owner tried to "dress it up" a little by slapping Japanese logos on it, hoping to dupe an uneducated buyer who doesn't know any better. Although sometimes they come out of the box with blatant trademark violations, or logos that are reaaaaaaaly similar to a Japanese one at least at a casual glance.

I've also seen people say BS like it was "Yamaha style" or "made by Yamaha" or "has a Yamaha engine" or something like that, again to try and dance around that it's a POS clone bike that are next to worthless secondhand.

I just flag the ads as spam when I come across them.
 

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I have actually seen a chinese bike treated like a trials bike for a year and aside from replacing cheap hardware only needed CNC hubs since the cast "aluminum" ones crumbled. You get what you pay for.
 

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I have a china bike. Apollo 250. I have beat the crap out of it. It keeps on going. I admit some of the stuff is cheap. Spokes need attention and the suspension leaves you looking for more adjustments. But the frame and swing arm are better than my TW. The motor is great. OHC 229cc. I have changed the oil several times and never saw any metal or slivers of gasket. I use the TW for 2 up dirt roads with the wife and some pavement. The Apollo goes in the rough stuff. Some of the cheaper versions like the magician are not that great. Some like the Apollo and the SSR are very well built.

Relabelling anything and selling it for something else seems like a crime to me. But there are people that do it and people that just don't know what they a re looking at. I could see a young kid looking for a bike. Then some scum bag cheats him/her. That is really $##ty.
 

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When I worked at a Honda shop we had people bringing us clone bikes all the time. Seems they were told any Honda dealer could get them parts and best of all warranty work!
We ended up with some very unhappy folks when we explained the true facts to them.
 

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What a shame. You've got to do your research for any bike you buy. I am old enough to know not to believe anyone selling something without knowing them or their item. The young and the "low information" crowd gets taken all the time.
 
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